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Old 07-19-2007, 09:29 PM
Kairos Kairos is offline
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Default 30NL: backdoor flush facing 3bet (175bb deep)

Villian is 32/0/0.55 over 22 hands (including this one).

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.15/$0.30 Blinds - 3 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

UTG: $97.00
Hero (BTN): $71.90
SB: $52.40
BB: $40

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.05</font>, SB calls $0.90, BB folds

Flop: ($2.40) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $1.50</font>, SB calls $1.50

Turn: ($5.40) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($5.40) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $5.40</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $17.40</font>, <font color="red">SB raises all-in to $49.85</font>, Hero ???

Is there value in my river raise? It seems like the only hands that call are ThXh and 7x, altough he may call with AK/AQ/AT once in a while.

As played it's an easy fold, right?

edit: fixed the hand history
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Old 07-19-2007, 10:04 PM
Nick C Nick C is offline
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Default Re: 30NL: backdoor flush facing 3bet (175bb deep)

Gettting about 2:1, I don't think it's an easy fold. Villain may be confused by your line, but if he has 7x, he still may like his hand a lot. It's also possible he caught a straight with his 98. And the ThXh hand you mention is also entirely possible.

Annoyingly, a whiffed turn checkraise (or a check-call continuation of the slowplay) with a boat seems like the most likely holding once Villain 3-bets all-in on the river, but I would take my chances.

Meanwhile, the original raise seems fine to me. Villain won't have a better hand very often, and I think you'll get your share of curiosity calls. Maybe it's not that hard to figure out what probably happened when you raise the river -- and of course Villain also has to worry about a sandbagged monster in a game as trappy as micro NL -- but I think a lot of players are going to be confused by your line.
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Old 07-19-2007, 10:33 PM
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Default Re: 30NL: backdoor flush facing 3bet (175bb deep)

Its very very likely he has QThh. I doubt AK AQ AT very much. Its also very unlikely he has something with a 7 unless its quads.

Your raise on the river is standard.

Also, I call. It might be very bad however.
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Old 07-20-2007, 09:40 AM
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Thanks for the replies.

I folded the hand but am not sure if this is right after your comments.

There are only like 2-3 combination of bd flush draws against 13 combos of boats so it comes down to wether he can show up here with a naked 7 or not and I don't think he calls the flop and 3bets the river with it very often plus there are only a few 7s in his coldcalling range.
I actually missed that 89 got there but I think the same reasoning as with the 7 applies.

He had AA this time.

FullTiltPoker Game #2997558276: Table Acme (deep 6) - $0.15/$0.30 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:41:23 ET - 2007/07/19
Seat 2: kairos ($71.90)
Seat 3: BargainRiver ($52.40)
Seat 4: kingbollas ($15), is sitting out
Seat 5: lastDMBstop ($40)
Seat 6: jwc529 ($97)
jwc529: it was good
BargainRiver posts the small blind of $0.15
lastDMBstop posts the big blind of $0.30
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to kairos [Jh Kh]
BargainRiver: or maybe a 3
jwc529: obv
jwc529 folds
jwc529: AT
kairos raises to $1.05
BargainRiver calls $0.90
lastDMBstop folds
*** FLOP *** [Ah 7s Td]
BargainRiver checks
kairos bets $1.50
BargainRiver calls $1.50
*** TURN *** [Ah 7s Td] [7h]
BargainRiver checks
kairos checks
*** RIVER *** [Ah 7s Td 7h] [6h]
jwc529: pretty weak way to play A3 but ok
BargainRiver has 15 seconds left to act
BargainRiver bets $5.40
kairos has 15 seconds left to act
kairos raises to $17.40
BargainRiver has 15 seconds left to act
BargainRiver raises to $49.85, and is all in
kairos has 15 seconds left to act
DaveAA23 sits down
DaveAA23 adds $30
BargainRiver: 2 pr
kairos has requested TIME
BargainRiver: NUTZ
kairos folds
Uncalled bet of $32.45 returned to BargainRiver
BargainRiver: HERE'
BargainRiver shows [Ac Ad] a full house, Aces full of Sevens
BargainRiver wins the pot ($38.20)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $40.20 | Rake $2
Board: [Ah 7s Td 7h 6h]
Seat 2: kairos (button) folded on the River
Seat 3: BargainRiver (small blind) collected ($38.20)
Seat 4: kingbollas is sitting out
Seat 5: lastDMBstop (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: jwc529 didn't bet (folded)

I didn't see the chat when I folded but I have no idea how it should affect my decision anyway.
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Old 07-20-2007, 09:55 AM
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wow, nice fold ... most would go broke there ... either your very nitty or a great hand reader lol ... nh sir
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Old 07-20-2007, 09:57 AM
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dont raise river
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Old 07-20-2007, 10:23 AM
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Default Re: Results

easy fold, your line is too obvious. i don't really mind a river raise but def fold to a shove especially given his stats
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Old 07-20-2007, 10:27 AM
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Default Re: Results

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dont raise river

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That's what I thought at first but I think calling is missing alot of value.
Then again raise/folding seems ugly in retrospect.
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Old 07-20-2007, 11:58 AM
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on an unpaired raise the river, in this case i think its just a call behind
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Old 07-20-2007, 01:55 PM
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Default Re: 30NL: backdoor flush facing 3bet (175bb deep)

I dont get why you shouldnt raise river? I think folding to the three bet is good but villians line looks alot more like a weak ace or missed draw than a slowplayed set/boat. I mean line is c/c c/c bet pot? I would raise this river esp since it's BTN vs blinds. I like how you played this.
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