Middle set deeeeeeeep OOP vs 2p2er and fish - Page 2

RoundTower · #11 10-13-2006, 07:51 PM

Assuming you called the river I think you played the hand well/standard. If fish calls really loose here I prefer lead river 300 or so.

I can't read suits here but I gather you turn a T high flush.

wazz · #12 10-13-2006, 08:21 PM

Scratch that, I meant that if 2+2er likes to slowplay I might think about folding.

Aisthesis · #13 10-13-2006, 08:48 PM

I find it rather bizarre for villain not to pot really any flush at all on the turn given the betting sequence. He has to figure that you have a bare minimum of 4 outs to outrun him--unless he has some kind of uber-monster like AA with QcXc or something.

I think the turn made him a straight, actually. But I'd still just call the $200.

guilt_trip · #14 10-13-2006, 09:39 PM

Overcall and pray

CrushinFelt · #15 10-14-2006, 01:02 AM

You're not up against the Q high flush; the only hand you're afraid of is the J-high flush. Call and wonder why he didn't bet the turn if he turns over the Q or J high flush. This is a small river bet and far from an overcall.

joewatch · #16 10-14-2006, 09:12 AM

I think you call here and most likely your hand is good. You should have bet the turn though.

NT! · #17 10-14-2006, 03:13 PM

Thanks for all the responses

One thing I should have mentioned is that the fish in this hand plays really weird so I had a hard time putting him on anything, I have seen him play top full house really weak and I have seen him repot the flop with a low end straight.

My main concern with betting the turn is that I will get raised off a hand that has lots of outs and good implied odds with the fish in the hand. I'm not so much worried about getting raised off a better hand, though, as villain is not raising me with a lower flush if I bet the turn again.

I hemmed and hawed for half a minute or so and made the call. 2p2er told me my flush was good. Both opponents had made a straight on the turn.

I like villain's bet here since he knows it's hard for me to overcall with a small flush and the fish is going to call a lot with hands that tie or lose to his straight.

donkey · #18 10-14-2006, 08:41 PM

i dont like villain's bet at all. your claim of him betting, fish calling with a worse hand, and you folding a better hand, is happening about .00004% of the time

blopp · #19 10-14-2006, 08:52 PM

Nice hand. Actually hard to fold that live, esp when he checked turn. He can easily also bet a smaller flush for value on river.

- B

NT! · #20 10-15-2006, 01:07 AM

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i dont like villain's bet at all. your claim of him betting, fish calling with a worse hand, and you folding a better hand, is happening about .00004% of the time

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from the way i played the hand he has good reason to believe i may just have a set or straight as well. he knows i play pretty tight and i may have folded a smaller flush here, who knows.