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#21
10-05-2007, 01:16 PM
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Re: 200 NL - I Always Try Hard To Find Spots to Steal From Nits?
I really don't like any of this hand. There is some merit in folding JJ preflop here and getting on with the next hand. Yes it's likely to be the best hand but if you push or re-raise preflop you are likely to only be called by better hands and at best 50:50. By calling you are in a reversed implied odds situation where is very hard for you as the OOP player to get value when you are ahead but you'll likely pay off better hands to a varying degree and allow villains to take free cards if they want. I think you need exceptional post-flop skills to play JJ profitably for a call here.
As played I think there is some merit in leading the flop but I don't overly disagree with the check either. But you absolutely have to lead the turn IMHO. That is never a check! Having checked the turn I think that betting the river now is even more crazy. The whole hand seems all very back to front to me. 
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#22
10-05-2007, 04:01 PM
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Re: 200 NL - I Always Try Hard To Find Spots to Steal From Nits?
why would button have QQ/KK?
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#23
10-05-2007, 04:06 PM
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Re: 200 NL - I Always Try Hard To Find Spots to Steal From Nits?
the river bet is awful as a bluff --he cant have KK and he wouldn't fold it anyway-- and bad as a vb. I could see TT call but its also a small part of his range and it won't call very often. I think the question is more if we c/f river or c/c. He might opt to 2 barrel KQ here, but also AQ, so its a tough one. probably fold though. And I don't think leading turn is a must. It's probably very close to c/c as button will bet a lot after it got checked twice.
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#24
10-05-2007, 04:38 PM
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Re: 200 NL - I Always Try Hard To Find Spots to Steal From Nits?
where is the nit? where is the stealing?
i wouldn't bet the river here with the ace hitting you could 4bet PF or fold, i never like coldcalling except in special circumstances
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#25
10-05-2007, 04:39 PM
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Re: 200 NL - I Always Try Hard To Find Spots to Steal From Nits?
[ QUOTE ]
you picked the wrong street to bet [/ QUOTE ]
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#27
10-05-2007, 04:55 PM
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Re: 200 NL - I Always Try Hard To Find Spots to Steal From Nits?
yeah bet flop, the 3bettor checked and the 23/11 guy might be fishing with a wide holding. You got FE, and get value out of worse pairs from that other guy. If he has better pair he will CRAI and you can fold. I think your almost never ahead if the nit shoves here. I would bet 45-50 on flop.
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#28
10-06-2007, 12:21 AM
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Re: 200 NL - I Always Try Hard To Find Spots to Steal From Nits?
[ QUOTE ]
yeah bet flop, the 3bettor checked and the 23/11 guy might be fishing with a wide holding. You got FE, and get value out of worse pairs from that other guy. If he has better pair he will CRAI and you can fold. I think your almost never ahead if the nit shoves here. I would bet 45-50 on flop. [/ QUOTE ] erm i def. meant the turn and pretty sure soah did as well
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