$200NL 6-Max - Valuetown or shove the river?

[Doylestown]

Why is intentionally showing weakness on the turn so bad here?

I'm posting to get educated not flamed guys. Tell me why it's so awful. Thanks.

[rounder00]

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Why is intentionally showing weakness on the turn so bad here?

I'm posting to get educated not flamed guys. Tell me why it's so awful. Thanks.

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Because your losing a lot of value on the river as well as turn. If he was re-raising monster amounts over small bets it would be different. I think You should have bet like 20 on turn, and then like 40-60 on river. Whatever you think you will get called with. Nobodys flaming you, just try and maximize value next time. Also, if you want to show weakness, why not check-raise or check call, then valuebet the river? But, the small bet on turn, then monster re-raise allin on river screeeeeeeeeeeeams I have the nuts

[Dan87]

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Why is intentionally showing weakness on the turn so bad here?

I'm posting to get educated not flamed guys. Tell me why it's so awful. Thanks.

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Because your losing a lot of value on the river as well as turn. If he was re-raising monster amounts over small bets it would be different. I think You should have bet like 20 on turn, and then like 40-60 on river. Whatever you think you will get called with. Nobodys flaming you, just try and maximize value next time. Also, if you want to show weakness, why not check-raise or check call, then valuebet the river? But, the small bet on turn, then monster re-raise allin on river screeeeeeeeeeeeams I have the nuts

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how can he cc or cr when he is last to act?

You bet $20+ on turn (Id bet 25) because the way the board is if he has a jack he will call 25 just as easily as he will call 8. This makes your river decision a lot easier when the pot is bigger because valuetown IS shoving the river.

[rounder00]

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Why is intentionally showing weakness on the turn so bad here?

I'm posting to get educated not flamed guys. Tell me why it's so awful. Thanks.

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Because your losing a lot of value on the river as well as turn. If he was re-raising monster amounts over small bets it would be different. I think You should have bet like 20 on turn, and then like 40-60 on river. Whatever you think you will get called with. Nobodys flaming you, just try and maximize value next time. Also, if you want to show weakness, why not check-raise or check call, then valuebet the river? But, the small bet on turn, then monster re-raise allin on river screeeeeeeeeeeeams I have the nuts

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how can he cc or cr when he is last to act?

You bet $20+ on turn (Id bet 25) because the way the board is if he has a jack he will call 25 just as easily as he will call 8. This makes your river decision a lot easier when the pot is bigger because valuetown IS shoving the river.

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yea my bad I [censored] up. He was last to act. I was saying 20 if he had bet 8 on flop.. I think he shoulda bet 10-12, 20-30,I don't think the river raise allin is gonna be profitable, if he doesn't have a jack, which he most likely didn't. Don;t you think he raises turn most of the time with a jack? As the hand went down I like raise to 50 on river, to get possible calls from a-7,9-9,8-8

[longhair]

because you have a FH and you want to play a big pot. the only way to play a big pot is to put as much money in as you can.

heck, even cbet more on the flop ($10-12). bet the turn for about $25, he's only going to play if he a)has a jack b) has 77+ (overpairs discounted due to pf).

[Casper05]

12 as a standard c-bet.
34 because hopefully he has a J or a slowplayed OP...neither is folding obv
shove because we got this far. yay for building a pot and getting his stack
gg villain rebuy please