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Old 11-08-2007, 06:11 PM
mattak mattak is offline
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Default Re: NLCash: Leading OOP

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First, it's not a very believable bluff. Second, we lose tons of value with our strong hands.

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These two things cannot both be true.

If villain will call with weak holdings because it's "not a very believable bluff", then we're getting value in those situations with strong hands that we might not have got otherwise.

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Cash-game players above 200NL have certain characteristics, many of which pertain to aggressiveness:
1) will cbet almost every pot
2) will CR (and expect to get CRed) many flops
3) will call donkbets rather light (often not raising), because CR collects their inevitable c-bet, so the range is often shifted toward draws.

Donkbetting is not as aggressive as CR (wrt to building the pot). I've seen people try to do it with [air, big draws, top pair] with limited success, because people dont tend to make huge mistakes in position. If they are calling 2 barrels of donks, then they are probably calling the flop CR (=more money in the pot in fewer streets).

**********Also, if you are donkbetting often, your check "range" can consequently become too polarized (big hands you want to CR and c/f hands), to allow villain to outplay you when you check. It is extremely difficult to balance both ranges (checking and donking), so people just focus on the checking range, since it picks up the c-bets.

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Another characteristic you didnt mention here is that a lot of 200NL and higher players will raise a flop donk bet almost automatically with a wide range. Donking is a great way to build a pot OOP if you are doing it to induce a raise. I dont advocate a donk bet if you think you will just get a call or a fold.
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