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11-13-2007, 03:24 PM
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sng EV vs cash games
This is a question that has been bothering me for a while.
If I'm in a cash game getting 5:1 odds to call an all-in with KK, and my opponent shows me AA, I should call because although I am a 4:1 underdog, it is still a +EV move. However, if I am in the first hand of a SNG and faced with the same situation, is this same situation still +EV? Because four times out of five I will be eliminated/crippled, and the one time I do win I am not guaranteed to go on and win the SNG. Thanks. 
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11-13-2007, 03:27 PM
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Re: sng EV vs cash games
How do you get 5:1 odds on the first hand?
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11-13-2007, 03:32 PM
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Re: sng EV vs cash games
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How do you get 5:1 odds on the first hand? [/ QUOTE ] A couple people raise a lot and then fold to the guy with AA shove.
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11-13-2007, 03:33 PM
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Re: sng EV vs cash games
well.. first hand you will not get 5:1, but if you call with KK against his AA shove (you BB, him SB shoving 0.6% - so AA only) you have -7.14% ev at 10/20 blinds.
with 400/800/50 blinds (giving you roughly 4.3-1) it is still -0.35% ev. If someone limps at 400/800/50 and folds everything except for Aces, it is +0.20% to push your Kings (having 5.3-1) when SB shoves AA and you know it.
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11-13-2007, 03:37 PM
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Re: sng EV vs cash games
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[ QUOTE ] How do you get 5:1 odds on the first hand? [/ QUOTE ] A couple people raise a lot and then fold to the guy with AA shove. [/ QUOTE ]I don't think that's very realistic. But to answer your question, pushing KK to have 7500 chips after hand 1 20% of the time is definitely +EV.
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11-13-2007, 03:54 PM
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Re: sng EV vs cash games
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] How do you get 5:1 odds on the first hand? [/ QUOTE ] A couple people raise a lot and then fold to the guy with AA shove. [/ QUOTE ]I don't think that's very realistic. But to answer your question, pushing KK to have 7500 chips after hand 1 20% of the time is definitely +EV. [/ QUOTE ] Yup, especially in tournies with 15000 starting stack!
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11-13-2007, 03:58 PM
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Re: sng EV vs cash games
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] How do you get 5:1 odds on the first hand? [/ QUOTE ] A couple people raise a lot and then fold to the guy with AA shove. [/ QUOTE ]I don't think that's very realistic. But to answer your question, pushing KK to have 7500 chips after hand 1 20% of the time is definitely +EV. [/ QUOTE ] Yup, especially in tournies with 15000 starting stack! [/ QUOTE ] Hi my sarcastic friend, how are you today? BTW obviously literally no one understood what OP really meant, but I'm too lazy to set up examples.
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11-13-2007, 04:06 PM
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Re: sng EV vs cash games
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] How do you get 5:1 odds on the first hand? [/ QUOTE ] A couple people raise a lot and then fold to the guy with AA shove. [/ QUOTE ]I don't think that's very realistic. But to answer your question, pushing KK to have 7500 chips after hand 1 20% of the time is definitely +EV. [/ QUOTE ] Yup, especially in tournies with 15000 starting stack! [/ QUOTE ] Hi my sarcastic friend, how are you today? BTW obviously literally no one understood what OP really meant, but I'm too lazy to set up examples. [/ QUOTE ]5:1 odds for a push on the first hand means the entire table calls 1/2 their stack before folding, except for hero and villian who push.
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