Interesting combo draw spot vs TAG

[David1234]

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fold it and 2nd barrel next time.

I think you checked hoping he would check behind.

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do you think he folds 77 to a double barrel?

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See, I don't. If he called the first one with 77, the board didn't get any scarier for him. He calls the 2nd one A LOT.

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thats fine. as long as he doesn't push all in trying to take you off a bigger overpair by representing the 5.

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why is it fine if he calls second barrel with 77?

[Dan Bitel]

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fold it and 2nd barrel next time.

I think you checked hoping he would check behind.

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do you think he folds 77 to a double barrel?

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no idea but if it prices you in for your draw, I don't see a problem. you don't need him to fold very often.

the only problem is if he is capable of representing the 5 with either turn raise or river bet.

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OK, that shows that betting >> c/c

but does that mean it is better than c/f or c/r?

[Paul Thomson]

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fold it and 2nd barrel next time.

I think you checked hoping he would check behind.

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do you think he folds 77 to a double barrel?

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See, I don't. If he called the first one with 77, the board didn't get any scarier for him. He calls the 2nd one A LOT.

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thats fine. as long as he doesn't push all in trying to take you off a bigger overpair by representing the 5.

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i agree. i've got odds if he calls with 77, so every time he folds it then it's xtra dough. If he'll check behind with 77 alot than I'd rather check.

[Grunch]

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fold it and 2nd barrel next time.

I think you checked hoping he would check behind.

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do you think he folds 77 to a double barrel?

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See, I don't. If he called the first one with 77, the board didn't get any scarier for him. He calls the 2nd one A LOT.

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thats fine. as long as he doesn't push all in trying to take you off a bigger overpair by representing the 5.

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why is it fine if he calls second barrel with 77?

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bascially because we have 15 probably clean outs

[aislephive]

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But, how often do you think guys will fire with 66-10s here?
I dont think guys will bet medium pps here a high % of the time here, so maybe a c/r AI is ok. Also, how often do you think guys will fold medium pps here to a second barrel?

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I think the only way checkraising all in would be ok is if they are betting these hands on the turn. If they're checking them, then what else are they betting on turn? Boats makes up most of his range then, since he won't have that many "bluffing" hands as nothing really would make sense besides another flush draw.

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why wont he have air?

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Well, unless he is making some expert multiway pot float, his flop call indicates he has something.

Grunch, I think a turn barrell will fold 77 here a ton where as a flop bet will rarely. I am of course talking about a Tag villain. But your perspective is true for a fish, not so much a decent player, IMO.

[Requin]

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fold it and 2nd barrel next time.

I think you checked hoping he would check behind.

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do you think he folds 77 to a double barrel?

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See, I don't. If he called the first one with 77, the board didn't get any scarier for him. He calls the 2nd one A LOT.

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thats fine. as long as he doesn't push all in trying to take you off a bigger overpair by representing the 5.

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why is it fine if he calls second barrel with 77?

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bascially because we have 15 probably clean outs

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[David1234]

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But, how often do you think guys will fire with 66-10s here?
I dont think guys will bet medium pps here a high % of the time here, so maybe a c/r AI is ok. Also, how often do you think guys will fold medium pps here to a second barrel?

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I think the only way checkraising all in would be ok is if they are betting these hands on the turn. If they're checking them, then what else are they betting on turn? Boats makes up most of his range then, since he won't have that many "bluffing" hands as nothing really would make sense besides another flush draw.

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why wont he have air?

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Well, unless he is making some expert multiway pot float, his flop call indicates he has something.

Grunch, I think a turn barrell will fold 77 here a ton where as a flop bet will rarely. I am of course talking about a Tag villain. But your perspective is true for a fish, not so much a decent player, IMO.

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thought it was heads up, my mistake

[Zaid_Ahmed]

We have to look at this hand from CO's perspective. Hero raises, he calls a raise in position. Flop 255. Hero c/bets, CO calls. Now CO is going to float that flop with pretty much anything. His range is 22+, suited high cards, KQ+ (possibly wider). This is an ideal spot to float.
On the turn, Hero checks. This is a good spot for CO to take a stab at the pot.
The only thing OP should be worried about here is CO having a a full boat or quads. I think he has a ton of FE in this hand as it is more likely that CO has a marginal or nothing hand as opposed to a monster. That's why I like the crai.
I don't mind a double barrel, but CO isn't going to fold 66-99. As someone pointed out earlier a river bet solves the problem.

[poppingit]

I like the cr shove here simply because our line is so strong that villian is going to have a hard time calling with anything but a 5. I prefer this line to a double barrel if we are confident that CO will take a stab at the pot on turn.

[Don Key E37]

I think Its a great spot for a crai. Yeah sometimes he has a 5 or a 2 and you look real silly, but I think you take it down often enough and win when called often enough to make it + EV. I also agree crai > 2nd barrel here.