Best hand to play against AA?

[mr.spam]

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Actually the best hand is v AA is AA which has 50% expectation, except in my local live game where I found the As duplicated, making AAs possible, imagine a 10 out flush draw!

The next best pair is 66, because 65432 board beats the wheel, and 5432A board busts set A's.

But the sooted connectors 87s..65s are slightly better I think, and will play better in FLHE, if not in NLHE, against pre-flop raiser in earlier position.

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Don't really think so... KK wins on a KTTT6 board where 66 doesn't. Sets can be counterfed.

[LegendLength]

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65s has a 23.05% chance to beat AA pre-flop, 76s and 87s are very close: 23.03% and 23.02% respectively.


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I can think of one reason why 87s is worse than 65s: If the board comes 9TJxx giving you a straight, the xx might be QK giving the AA holder a better straight. Does that sound plausible to explain some of the 0.02% difference in chance?

[RobNottsUk]

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Actually the best hand is v AA is AA which has 50% expectation, except in my local live game where I found the As duplicated, making AAs possible, imagine a 10 out flush draw!

The next best pair is 66, because 65432 board beats the wheel, and 5432A board busts set A's.

But the sooted connectors 87s..65s are slightly better I think, and will play better in FLHE, if not in NLHE, against pre-flop raiser in earlier position.

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Don't really think so... KK wins on a KTTT6 board where 66 doesn't. Sets can be counterfed.

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http://twodimes.net/h/?z=30030
pokenum -h as ac - 6d 6h
Holdem Hi: 1712304 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ac 1363968 79.66 343394 20.05 4942 0.29 0.798
6d 6h 343394 20.05 1363968 79.66 4942 0.29 0.202

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1059
pokenum -h as ac - kd kh
Holdem Hi: 1712304 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ac 1388072 81.06 317694 18.55 6538 0.38 0.813
Kd Kh 317694 18.55 1388072 81.06 6538 0.38 0.187

Fraid so, eat humble pie. The reason is that b'way str8 can beat your set, and trips on the board is much rarer than str8-ning cards.

[jakrpanda]

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I was involved in a 4-way preflop all-in, AA vs. KK vs. QQ vs 78s. When I saw that lineup, I thought the 78s player was a dingbat. But I guess he wasn't so far off.

(The flop had an A, and I held the AA. Good times.)

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It depends on the pot. If all four stacks were even 87s wouldn't have enough equity to call, he needs about 20% just to break even.

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So if another person had entered the pot with say JJ would our guy with 87s have enough equity to call the All-in bet? I just want to make sure my understanding of PF equity is correct. He would have pot equity of 20% and the numbers (in pokerstove) work out to:


equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.296% 40.25% 00.04% 1775101716 1885615.20 { AA }
Hand 1: 16.742% 16.70% 00.04% 736398216 1885615.20 { KK }
Hand 2: 13.765% 13.72% 00.04% 605120220 1885615.20 { QQ }
Hand 3: 11.153% 11.11% 00.04% 489947616 1885615.20 { JJ }
Hand 4: 18.045% 18.00% 00.04% 793867068 1885615.20 { 87s }


It's close to 20% Is my thinking correct? Would he need one more person all-in to make this a correct call?

[RobNottsUk]

Yep, probably ...

Here's a nice one I cooked up

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=3803098
pokenum -h qd qh - ah kd - ad kh - 8s 7s
Holdem Hi: 1086008 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Qd Qh 508622 46.83 573940 52.85 3446 0.32 0.469
Kd Ah 7235 0.67 804458 74.07 274315 25.26 0.132
Ad Kh 7235 0.67 804458 74.07 274315 25.26 0.132
8s 7s 288601 26.57 793961 73.11 3446 0.32 0.267

So 3 opponent's 0.267 is a light money favourite, ignoring rake or TEV "When you're broke you're done", you could argue for a call.

[nickabourisk]

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Actually the best hand is v AA is AA which has 50% expectation, except in my local live game where I found the As duplicated, making AAs possible, imagine a 10 out flush draw!

The next best pair is 66, because 65432 board beats the wheel, and 5432A board busts set A's.

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Haha, anyone ever show up with 5 of a kind or did they just lose an A of some other suit and replace it with a spade?

Regarding the 66 vs. AA. In a tournament, I got it all in with AA vs. 66 (his heart was crushed; this description has a two-fold meaning: 1. he was a huge underdog and not very pleased, 2. I had the Ah and he had the 6h). Anyway, I rivered a straight flush A2345 of hearts and he had the higher straight flush 23456 of hearts.

[luvetoholdem]

Ill take the 56 soooooted.

[plzbenice]

but what is more profitable to play against AA, 66 or 56s?

set u either flop ir u dont and 1/8 times.

56s u get a lot of combos or onepair and twpair is only 75/25.

[RobNottsUk]

Isn't that going to be rather situation and opponent specific?

If you know opponent has AA, but is good enough to fold them on turn say, I think AA will be best, as excluding 'miracle' flushes you'll be on a free-roll against someone who's given their hand away.

[Yepitis]

66 can not win with two pair, two pair is the most likely hand after high card and one pair. A straight is the next most likely hand, 56s gives you the best odds to hit a straight and beat his wheel. Plus the flush.