i keep changing my plan

jba · #1 06-04-2007, 03:46 PM

stars 10/20, villain is unknown.

I open otb with KJo, sb 3bets, heads up

flop (6sb):
Kh Jd 3c

he bets, I raise, he 3bets, I decide to call and pop him on the turn

turn (6bb):
Ah

I change my plan to just call

river (8bb):
2h

I decide to raise.

TheOffice · #2 06-04-2007, 04:04 PM

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I decide to raise.

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because the bdfd coming in might scare him into calling only whereas on the turn you could've gotten 3-bet easier?

I don't fully understand your thought process here on turn and river. Could you please explain?

toss · #3 06-04-2007, 04:08 PM

I too don't get why you want to raise the river, but not turn.

yourface · #4 06-04-2007, 04:09 PM

just call the river.
if he is at all reasonable his range is crushing you. you're pretty much hoping he has KQ or another KJ.

I know no reads, but I would usually put someone on at least TPGK after he 3bets the flop

jba · #5 06-04-2007, 04:14 PM

yourface why can't he have stuff like JT or KT/KQ or stuff like QQ or AT or A9 or something? I mean he's an unknown, we have to add in a little moran factor right?

I mean I have pretty far from the nuts here and I didn't raise the turn because of that. and yes my plan changed on the river to raise because of the flush. don't know if that is right though.

yourface · #6 06-04-2007, 04:16 PM

shouldn't say he's CRUSHING you
it's like [JJ KK AA AK]*11 vs QK*8 and KJ*4
so it's not a raise unless you think his range is wider

Municipal Hare · #7 06-04-2007, 04:53 PM

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yourface why can't he have stuff like JT or KT/KQ or stuff like QQ or AT or A9 or something? I mean he's an unknown, we have to add in a little moran factor right?

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Neither of his OOP 3-bets is terribly suggestive of that range. "Moran factor" allows you to grin as you instacall the river.

Leader · #8 06-05-2007, 05:49 PM

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shouldn't say he's CRUSHING you
it's like [JJ KK AA AK]*11 vs QK*8 and KJ*4
so it's not a raise unless you think his range is wider

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That's a pretty small range for a guy 3-betting a button raise

jba · #9 06-05-2007, 05:58 PM

ok so he called with J7s which got me to thinking about the moran factor.

and I still think he has stuff like KT/JT a lot even if we assume he is legit.

yourface · #10 06-05-2007, 06:05 PM

do people really 3bet this flop OOP without at least top pair after hero raised preflop and got 3bet? that seems like a spew to me, even in a blind steal situation.

villains play seems retarded based on his hand. but hey, that's why we play poker