waiting for the river

jba · #1 05-09-2007, 03:40 PM

this was a live, full hand but I think it's better suited for here because it's a blind battle.

villain in this hand is a winning live pro that I haven't played with in a while because I think he moved or something. He's notorious for playing too fast, but if he played online he really wouldn't be. We have a lot of history and he thinks I'm always trying to outplay him and I guess I often think the same thing, but I think it doesn't happen a ton. I've 3bet him otb in a resteal situation with KJo, and once with KQo from the SB against his MP raise - seemed to have pissed him off both times. I once raised AQ from EP, he cold calls in LP, called my flop and turn bets on an ace high board. I sexy the river and he 3bet with king high. so there's some history.

I open from the CO with AKo, he calls in the BB. his range here is huge but not stuff like T3o.

flop AQ2r
he checks and calls

turn 9 bringing a flush draw
he check raises, I call

river 3 no flush
he bets, I raise. if he 3bets it's a set or AQ very closely approaching 100% of the time.

danzasmack · #2 05-09-2007, 03:43 PM

"if he 3bets it's a set or AQ very closely approaching 100% of the time."

I don't get it. You played the AQ hand earlier and he seemed to play back at you a lot. What made that call easier than this one? Was it the turn play? Based on the history it seems like folding vs. this player is a bad idea.

yourface · #3 05-09-2007, 03:50 PM

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I once raised AQ from EP, he cold calls in LP, called my flop and turn bets on an ace high board. I sexy the river and he 3bet with king high.

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if he 3bets it's a set or AQ very closely approaching 100% of the time.

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this doesn't make sense to me.

if you raise him you need to call a 3bet imo. he's not going to think that tre improved your hand and based on your read he could make a play.

jba · #4 05-09-2007, 04:10 PM

the sexy and the screwplay are something that I've pretty much never seen anyone do in this game (and in fact I think it's usually a bad play and I've only done it a few times). So on the hand where I sexied him he probably looked at it as something that no one ever does with a big ace, and was very possibly a frustrated KK/QQ/JJ. I've thought about that hand a lot and I'm pretty sure he wasn't trying to push me off a big ace there.

in the hand in the OP it looks almost exactly like aces up or a monster or a bluff. no one ever folds top pair in these games and I really don't expect him to think that I will. who knows.

mostly my question is river raise vs. turn 3bet.

yourface · #5 05-09-2007, 04:17 PM

so make up a range for him and see if you're ahead enough of the time. if you feel confident folding to a 3bet you only need to be best >50% of the time for a raise to have value. would you say his range here is a pair of aces+?

ILOVEPOKER929 · #6 05-09-2007, 08:18 PM

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this was a live, full hand but I think it's better suited for here because it's a blind battle.

villain in this hand is a winning live pro that I haven't played with in a while because I think he moved or something. He's notorious for playing too fast, but if he played online he really wouldn't be. We have a lot of history and he thinks I'm always trying to outplay him and I guess I often think the same thing, but I think it doesn't happen a ton. I've 3bet him otb in a resteal situation with KJo, and once with KQo from the SB against his MP raise - seemed to have pissed him off both times. I once raised AQ from EP, he cold calls in LP, called my flop and turn bets on an ace high board. I sexy the river and he 3bet with king high. so there's some history.

I open from the CO with AKo, he calls in the BB. his range here is huge but not stuff like T3o.

flop AQ2r
he checks and calls

turn 9 bringing a flush draw
he check raises, I call

river 3 no flush
he bets, I raise. if he 3bets it's a set or AQ very closely approaching 100% of the time.

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I think youre working too hard to try to own this guy Jba. I think you should just call the river. River raise is too thin IMO. If this guy is truly a winning pro, that river raise cannot be profitable.

ILOVEPOKER929 · #7 05-09-2007, 08:21 PM

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mostly my question is river raise vs. turn 3bet.

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Wtf? How about do neither. Just call down once check/raised on the turn. This guy is not retarded.

PokerSparky · #8 05-09-2007, 11:10 PM

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Just call down once check/raised on the turn. This guy is not retarded.

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