Rockies fans are gonna be pissed. Braun Wins ROY

[MuresanForMVP]

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Actually WARP3 isn't. Even BP would admit that.

Simply gonna notify all your posts troll ^^

plz don't feed the trolls, let's resume the rest of the thread

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Resume the thread? What's happening now seems to be the very reason for the thread

[brian8065]

I'm pissed. Tulo was clearly the better player. Sportswriters are still stuck on BA, RBI, and HR.

[dkgojackets]

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JFC

TT saved 35 runs with his defense

HR cost his team 35 with his

wtf is wrong with you people?

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but your stat says ramirez was still better overall amirite

[sublime]

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Sublime,
Without injuries Utley is clearly better than Rollins, the injury is the only thing that made it closish.

TT> Braun, but it isn't a like Colon over Santana or Morneau > Jeter/Mauer for MVP.

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yes hes 'better'.

however rollins plays SS and utely plays 2B, rollins has has 2000 AB's over the last 3 years and utely 1700....thats half a season more being on the field....THESE THINGS COUNT. PECOTA sees the same thing going forward....rollins being on the field abiout half a seasons worth of AB's over the next four years. this is based on stuff like, size, skillset, handedness, position etc...

[sublime]

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JFC

TT saved 35 runs with his defense

HR cost his team 35 with his

wtf is wrong with you people?

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but your stat says ramirez was still better overall amirite

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um yeah. i also said my 'stat' probably didnt account for defense correctly? AMIRITE?

wtf. now your nitpicking over like three quarters of a win? this after you cant say braun was a horrible choice for the award?

really, why do i argue with people like you? shoot me.

[sublime]

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I'm with sublime. TT was amazing this year. Huge outlier. he got jobbed.

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see heres the problem.

people are too dumb to realize that just because braun was a TERRIBLE choice for ROY that doesn't mean he didnt have a really really good rookie season.

the wording of terrible here isnt meant to poop on braun. its meant to show that TT was just unreal, sick, disgustingly valuable because of the position he played and how well he played it.


any other season and braun would be a FINE choice and i would probably be bitching that some guy on the mets robbed him. this year however, hes a TERRIBLE choice. period. end of discussion. i am right, anyone who disagrees with me is wrong.

[Thremp]

Okay I lied. I don't support sublime on that idiotic comment about Chase Utley. WTF?


Put the rock down. SE is like a cesspool of stupid. Plz stop spilling over to SBF. Assani is all yours.

[J.R.]

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thing is superlwts isnt a WA metric....unless i just dont have the data source.


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what do you mean by WA? It adds up runs contributed on offense and saved on defense.

"Super Linear Weights is a method for evaluating the contributions of a baseball player towards his team. It was designed by Mitchel Lichtman and it calculates the total value that a baseball player contributes towards his team in terms of runs, where 0 represents the number of runs the average player adds. It uses linear weights to determine how many runs a player contributes on offense and UZR or Ultimate Zone Rating to determine how many runs he saves on defense."

link

[sublime]

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Okay I lied. I don't support sublime on that idiotic comment about Chase Utley. WTF?


Put the rock down. SE is like a cesspool of stupid. Plz stop spilling over to SBF. Assani is all yours.

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its not idiotic....i mean look at what other SS's produce and what rollins spits out. look at the same for CU and 2B. i just dont think that rollins gets his just due is all.

saying he was worth more was overboard, fine. thinking they are not at least somewhat close in overall value isnt.

i have a man crush on jimmy. sorry. i love defending players (usually good defensive SS's)who get a lot less credit than they deserve.

[sublime]

sorry

WA meant widely available. i mean tis a great stat, but i cant find it in like 4 seconds.