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10-31-2007, 03:17 PM
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Re: Why does 2+2 call poker gambling?
Is wagering money on whether the ball knocks down 10 pins rather than 9 gambling?
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10-31-2007, 03:18 PM
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Re: Why does 2+2 call poker gambling?
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If I were an opponent of Internet poker, I'd cite the leading site naming as support of poker being gambling. Perhaps the powers that be for the site should consider renaming it. [/ QUOTE ] When poker stops BEING a form of gambling, then you can come up with a name change. Now, if you automatically interpret "gambling" as "-EV game playing", then come up with a new word now.
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#13
10-31-2007, 03:19 PM
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Re: Why does 2+2 call poker gambling?
Poker is not gambling. Craps, blackjack and roulette is gambling. Sports betting is not gambling, like poker it takes skill to win. However, IMO it is harder to win at sports betting because you are wagering against the house that knows a lot about sports and you must pay a rake that is higher than online poker rake.
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#14
10-31-2007, 03:51 PM
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Re: Why does 2+2 call poker gambling?
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[ QUOTE ] If I were an opponent of Internet poker, I'd cite the leading site naming as support of poker being gambling. Perhaps the powers that be for the site should consider renaming it. [/ QUOTE ] When poker stops BEING a form of gambling, then you can come up with a name change. Now, if you automatically interpret "gambling" as "-EV game playing", then come up with a new word now. [/ QUOTE ] There are already new words out there. My favorite is "gaming" even though the casinos have tried to take it and apply it to their "gambling" games. "Wagering" is good to, as you can wager on any contest, including ones of skill. When people play chess for money what do you call it? Skallagrim
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#15
10-31-2007, 04:30 PM
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Re: Why does 2+2 call poker gambling?
"Gaming" works for me.
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10-31-2007, 04:42 PM
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Re: Why does 2+2 call poker gambling?
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There are already new words out there. My favorite is "gaming" even though the casinos have tried to take it and apply it to their "gambling" games. [/ QUOTE ] IIRC, I read somewhere that the original term was "gaming" and, when that got a bad rep, the move went to "gambling"... making that trend back a bit ironic
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#17
10-31-2007, 04:44 PM
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Re: Why does 2+2 call poker gambling?
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Poker is not gambling. Craps, blackjack and roulette is gambling. Sports betting is not gambling, like poker it takes skill to win. [/ QUOTE ] What is poker, then? BJ can't be enough skill to make it +EV? What is betting on horses? Define a term for poker, please, that will mean "not the same type of game as other gambling games, even though you play solely for money"
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#18
10-31-2007, 04:50 PM
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Re: Why does 2+2 call poker gambling?
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[ QUOTE ] Poker is not gambling. Craps, blackjack and roulette is gambling. Sports betting is not gambling, like poker it takes skill to win. [/ QUOTE ] What is poker, then? BJ can't be enough skill to make it +EV? What is betting on horses? Define a term for poker, please, that will mean "not the same type of game as other gambling games, even though you play solely for money" [/ QUOTE ] "Gambling" The term gambling has many different meanings depending on the cultural and historical context in which it is used. Currently, in Western societies, it has an economic definition, referring to "wagering money or something of material value on an event with an uncertain outcome with the primary intent of winning additional money and/or material goods". Typically, the outcome of the wager is evident within a short period of time. The term gaming[1] in this context typically refers to instances in which the activity has been specifically permitted by law. The two words are not mutually exclusive; i.e.: a “gaming” company offers (legal) “gambling” activities to the public.[2]
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#19
10-31-2007, 04:56 PM
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Re: Why does 2+2 call poker gambling?
Lets call poker and all other games that you play against other people for money or prizes "gaming."
Lets call all games that you play against a "house" for money or prizes (so called "banked" games) "gambling." If we can get this linguistic change popular, just think how it will infuriate the FOF types and the casino interests who oppose us. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] Skallagrim PS - where in this mix you put betting on other people's games (like pro sports and animal racing), I will let others decide.
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#20
10-31-2007, 05:04 PM
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Re: Why does 2+2 call poker gambling?
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Lets call poker and all other games that you play against other people for money or prizes "gaming." Lets call all games that you play against a "house" for money or prizes (so called "banked" games) "gambling." If we can get this linguistic change popular, just think how it will infuriate the FOF types and the casino interests who oppose us. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] Skallagrim PS - where in this mix you put betting on other people's games (like pro sports and animal racing), I will let others decide. [/ QUOTE ] Excellent, 'GAMING' it is, as to the horses, I think they have a fancy name, para-mutual wagering. Come to think of it, that concept would fit poker tournaments as well, players pool money and some win a portion of the pooled money, others do not. obg
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