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Old 08-18-2007, 06:41 PM
mackthefork mackthefork is offline
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Default 50NL 6 max - KK vs 4 bet all in by reasonable TAG button

Some things about this hand really confuse me, I was thinking at the time that he would surely only do this with AA, then I convinced myself that this was too weak tight so I called thinking it probably costs me a few dollars but what the hey.

Villian was 27/17 over 140 hands.

So the question is, should I be folding this or not?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Button ($59.85)
SB ($69.50)
BB ($48.60)
Hero ($68.40)
MP ($40.40)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $11</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $59.85</font>, Hero calls $48.85.

Thanks for looking.

Regards Mack
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Old 08-18-2007, 06:48 PM
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Default Re: 50NL 6 max - KK vs 4 bet all in by reasonable TAG button

No. For less than 150BB, folding KK preflop to a 27/17 would be a mistake. NH.
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Old 08-18-2007, 06:56 PM
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Default Re: 50NL 6 max - KK vs 4 bet all in by reasonable TAG button

call, then stack of to AA and reload ;(

200bb deep I fold this.
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Old 08-18-2007, 07:07 PM
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Default Re: 50NL 6 max - KK vs 4 bet all in by reasonable TAG button

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call, then stack of to AA and reload ;(

200bb deep I fold this.

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Agreed, you're not deep enough to fold, although I would definitely muck QQ in this spot.
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Old 08-18-2007, 07:18 PM
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Default Re: 50NL 6 max - KK vs 4 bet all in by reasonable TAG button

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call, then stack of to AA and reload ;(

200bb deep I fold this.

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Agreed, you're not deep enough to fold, although I would definitely muck QQ in this spot.

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Okay thanks for the replys, I haven't played much of this yet, so am learning as I go, its just that so far I haven't folded KK in this spot and I've been shown aces 4 times out of 4. However I have seen opponents going in with AK or worse and calling off with worse than AK too, so I reckon maybe you guys are right and I've been unlucky or just against the wrong guys.

Thanks Mack
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Old 08-18-2007, 07:30 PM
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Default Re: 50NL 6 max - KK vs 4 bet all in by reasonable TAG button

Assuming he does this with KK+ , AKs, and only two combos of QQ then you have enough equity.

equity win tie
Hand 0: 58.729% 54.14% 04.59% { KK+, QcQh, QcQs, AKs }
Hand 1: 41.271% 36.68% 04.59% { KhKs }
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Old 08-24-2007, 04:12 PM
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Default Re: 50NL 6 max - KK vs 4 bet all in by reasonable TAG button

Just a progress report, I have now called all ins with KK 15 times and have been shown AA 13 times, AK once and QQ once, maybe I'm runing bad or something, but I think maybe I stop calling the 3/4 bet from reasonable players when I have KK, unless I can flop for set value. On the plus side I have won 3 times when dominated and the two where I was ahead held up. I also won plenty enough to move up in hands where the money did not go in preflop, so I'm gonna give 100NL my attention for the next month or so and see how that works out. I only got 20k hands in and about 3/4 weeks experience so we'll live and learn as we go.

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PS thanks for the advice anyway, I'm sure it was well meant.
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Old 08-24-2007, 04:14 PM
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Default Re: 50NL 6 max - KK vs 4 bet all in by reasonable TAG button

stop running bad
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Old 08-24-2007, 04:17 PM
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Default Re: 50NL 6 max - KK vs 4 bet all in by reasonable TAG button

I think you're running very bad if you've ran into aces 13 out of 15, don't stop calling here if you know their range is QQ KK AA AK because eventually this will be a winning call.
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Old 08-24-2007, 04:51 PM
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Default Re: 50NL 6 max - KK vs 4 bet all in by reasonable TAG button

Do you run ubernitty? 12/10 or 10/8ish? This could lead to reconsideration

*only when you're UTG, meaning your UTG stats would be like 3/3 - 5/5
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