KK on A high flop against 2 opponents

[Peter]

CO is 35/9 with postflop aggression factors of 0.5/0.4/1
Button is 35/25 with postflop aggression factors of 1.6/1.4/0.7.

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Preflop: Peter is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Peter caps</font>, CO calls, Button calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Peter bets</font>, CO calls, Button calls.

Turn: (7.75 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Peter bets</font>, CO calls, Button calls.

River: (10.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Peter bets</font>,

How often am I good here?
How about calling preflop, since CO will almost never fold to a cap?

[RunDownHouse]

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How about calling preflop, since CO will almost never fold to a cap?

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You've got the best hand, are you looking to try to c/r CO out on the flop by letting button keep the lead? I don't get it. I mean, this is the kind of flop you didn't want to see - A-high - but if you had smooth called pf were you planning on c/f'ing a flop like this? c/c?

I just don't really understand what you'd hope to accomplish by smooth calling pf when CO will never fold to a cap.

[JDalla]

Def cap preflop... river I say either bet/fold or check/call.

[Peter]

Smooth calling would disguise my hand, but I guess if CO doesn't fold to a cap raising is still better. What if CO could fold to a cap?
If I had smooth called, I think bet/fold would be a pretty safe line.

What about the line I took?

[JDalla]

you definately cap if CO could fold to cap... its not bad to get him out of the hand. If he def. won't fold to cap, you still want to cap to get in value while you are ahead.

[Schizo]

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How about calling preflop,

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heh, no. And by no I mean [censored] no.

[goofball]

Aagainst two opponents I think you lose to a scared AT too often to not checkfold the turn. Against 1 opponent though valuebetting the whole way is fine and good.

[Heisenb3rg]

button clearly has an ace.
facts we know.

1-His stats indicate he's a reasonable agressive player
2-He 3-bet PF, narrowing his range a fair bit. For arguments sake lets go a little loose. KQ, AT+, 77+
3-He's over-calling the flop and the turn, when both have you have shown strength. The bettor, significant strength.
4-He can't have KQ of spades because you have the K of spade

What is the ideal way to play AT-AQ in buttons case? Exactly like this. He doesnt want to scare off KK/QQ into a fold, and doesnt want to get 3-bet by AK.


What do you think could be going through a rational players mind that would have him overcall to the river with QQ?

He would have to think that theres a decent chance that you capped pre-flop with JJ- and that the other opponent is calling down with JJ- as well.
And that's if he even has QQ!

Even if by some small chance he has a lower pocket pair, you have to multiply the chances that the initial raiser has an ace. This is also a decent percentage (although lower).

To me it is pretty obvious that you are not good here 8% of the time.

I would probabily check-fold the river, and possible check-fold the turn depending on how much these guys peel.
By getting called in two places on the turn you've got pretty significant information.

[Lurker4]

I probably check the turn, and depending on who bets check/fold or check/call. Had I bet the turn, I check river and fold if I have to overcall, and likely call if button bets when checked to.

Also, this:
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How about calling preflop, since CO will almost never fold to a cap?

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Is really bad reasoning for not capping. Always cap here three ways, HU I can see occasionally not capping to extract more bets postflop, but 3-way not capping is losing out on a lot of bets with no upside.

[danzasmack]

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Aagainst two opponents I think you lose to a scared AT too often to not checkfold the turn. Against 1 opponent though valuebetting the whole way is fine and good.

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good post