Strategic thinking against good players

[chesspain]

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I still don't understand the meaning of "screwplay."

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call flop raise and c/r the turn.

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I caught that, but I assumed it was related to a specific board texture for bluffing.

[Heisenb3rg]

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uhmmm SHHHHHHH....

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ummm just realized its too late to delete the post.. I really was going to after I read this lol...

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nice post heisen,

now your poker secrets are MINE

[danzasmack]

fwiw heis i can see you thinking this hard right through my laptop when i play(ed) with you lol.

[Heisenb3rg]

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fwiw heis i can see you thinking this hard right through my laptop when i play(ed) with you lol.

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Were you the person I just marathoned with or played a few hundred hands?

BTW the reason to play good players HU is if your stuck 3k$ and on monkey tilt.. In these situatuions having the tools to beat good players to minimize the amount lost to rake is key [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[BrassMonkey]

Isn't bluffing on scare cards something that good players do against other good players all the time? Perhaps I'm missing something specific to the range comments that you made, though. C'mon, dammit, don't go hushing up now!

[thepizzlefosho]

this is a pretty good post and hopefull the people that don't already think about this stuff won't read this.

I think it is especially applicable to picking off river bluffs in small pots in HUHU. But also as you were saying it really should help against LAGs and TAGs in deciding when to make calldowns on scary turn cards.

you mention 3-betting as a possible alternative in your 6max blind defense example. If the villain just calls your 3-bet what line would you take on a blank on the river? I can see arguments for both c/f, c/c, and b/f. (also I am assuming if you get capped on the turn you are c/f'ing the river UI)

[milesdyson]

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ummm just realized its too late to delete the post.. I really was going to after I read this lol...

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doesn't everyone talk about this already?

i can think of one hand right off the top of my head. ninawilliam's K3 blind battle hand where the turn is an ace. otherwise i can think of a hand i played where i had a draw hu and after c/ring flop i ended up b/3betting a turn ace.

few people who don't think of this are ever going to start thinking about it. kind of like the argument against the argument against poker books. people who suck at poker are likely not too smart. people who aren't too smart are not likely to read a book and apply it.

sorry for pooing on the parade.

[milesdyson]

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And Jen Harman. She's admitted to not knowing some of the math behind the game, yet she's one of the best LHE players in the world.

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this is always so stupid.

it's like the hot actress who says she loves to eat donuts and ice cream and the only working out she does is carrying her purse. do you really think she eats like 5k calories daily, stays inactive, and keeps a body only suited for milesdyson to crush? no, the bitch is lying.

plus, "the math of LHE" is lol anyway.

[midnightpulp]

Miles, maybe that particular example about the math was bad, but my essential question was why is it that some good players become great players while other good players stay good players.

Assume the two players work equally hard on their game.

Is it as simple as inherent talent? Card sense? Etc...