JJ against a TAG

[FeNeF]

AKss, AsAx and KsKx are often 3bet preflop. We have odds to call vs a set. He could easily be getting freaky with the naked A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], AQ or even something like 9s9x. After thinking about this a bit more I think it's a fairly clear call.

[Jay Riall]

I'm pondering the idea of a flop check here. Thoughts?

[The.Accountant]

So call and river two pair like this?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $116.20
UTG+1: $189.30
CO: $250.05
Button: $236.50
SB: $106.95
Hero: $646.65

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $10</font>, Button calls, SB folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $40</font>, 2 folds, Button calls.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($93, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $76</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises all-in $196.5</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($486, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $486)


River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($486, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $486)


Results:
Final pot: $486
<font color="#red">Hero showed Js Jc</font>
<font color="#red">Button showed 6h 7h</font>

And I thought this was a donkcall too........

[FeNeF]

You're ahead of 67 on that flop.

[The.Accountant]

Yep, 50.91 to 49.09.

It was just the possibility of being up against a Q and a higher fd that worried me, but I realize that he's probably not calling here pf here with those hands.

[BGnight]

Crap, I read the results. But before I did some people were saying easy call. Are they saying this just because of our flush draw. I really feel we're behind here. And I feel we could easily be behind AA,KK w/ a spade. If he has QQQ our outs are tainted.
Sorry, I just wish Isura or A.P. could expand on their thinking. I suck at math so no way I'm calculating his range vs. my odds for a flush and all that mathematical blah, blah....

I don't have pokerstove. Are we really a fave to 67 here? I know it's damn close. I'd like to see it in writing for curiousities sake.

[Isura]

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Sorry, I just wish Isura or A.P. could expand on their thinking. I suck at math so no way I'm calculating his range vs. my odds for a flush and all that mathematical blah, blah....


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Maybe spend some time with pokerstove etc, and think about the math. This is a basic spot where its useful to know your equity against tight, average, or loose ranges.

[BGnight]

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Sorry, I just wish Isura or A.P. could expand on their thinking. I suck at math so no way I'm calculating his range vs. my odds for a flush and all that mathematical blah, blah....


[/ QUOTE ]

Maybe spend some time with pokerstove etc, and think about the math. This is a basic spot where its useful to know your equity against tight, average, or loose ranges.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, your right. This is something I've been needing to do, but since I hate math have been putting it off (like the dentist [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img])

[FeNeF]

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

990 games 0.005 secs 198,000 games/sec

Board: Qs 6s 7s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 50.909% 50.91% 00.00% 504 0.00 { JcJs }
Hand 1: 49.091% 49.09% 00.00% 486 0.00 { 7h6h }

EDIT:

This hand range might be way off, I put it together quickly and have a nasty habit of forgetting about hands. Against this range we're easily priced in to call.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

22,770 games 0.005 secs 4,554,000 games/sec

Board: 6s 7s Qs
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 59.794% 59.79% 00.00% 13615 0.00 { AcAs, KcKs, 9c9s, 9d9s, 9h9s, 77-66, AsKc, AsKd, AsKh, AQo }
Hand 1: 40.206% 40.21% 00.00% 9155 0.00 { JdJs }

[BGnight]

thnx FeNeF. I'm getting pokerstove right now. I want to see our equity vs his entire range here.

edit: ah, beat me to it [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]