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Old 09-19-2007, 12:07 PM
Michaelson Michaelson is offline
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Default Probably standard, JJ in 3-bet pot OOP

My image is laggy and spewy, villain is a decent seeming TAG after 50 or so hands. I check the flop because I feel like the hand becomes impossible to play if I'm called or raised. On the turn I feel like I'm ahead a lot, but shoving for value is obviously out of the question and calling doesn't guarantee me a showdown. Do I just have to give up on this pot on the flop, or is there some way to play my hand for value?

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $434.30
BB: $192.05
UTG: $290.15
MP: $240.55
CO: $369.25
BTN: $225.31

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $7.00</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $24.00</font>, BB folds, MP calls $17.00

Flop: ($50) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, MP checks

Turn: ($50) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">MP bets $40.00</font>, Hero?
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Old 09-19-2007, 12:10 PM
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Default Re: Probably standard, JJ in 3-bet pot OOP

Tough one really, what about leading the turn for ~$35? As played I fold.
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Old 09-19-2007, 12:14 PM
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Default Re: Probably standard, JJ in 3-bet pot OOP

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Tough one really, what about leading the turn for ~$35? As played I fold.

[/ QUOTE ] The problem is that 99 can't even call anymore on the turn, so it would really just be a pure bluff, which was maybe called for now I think about it.
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Old 09-19-2007, 12:16 PM
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Default Re: Probably standard, JJ in 3-bet pot OOP

Is a flop bet bad in this spot?
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Old 09-19-2007, 12:18 PM
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Default Re: Probably standard, JJ in 3-bet pot OOP

lol I didnt even think of this, yea maybe a $30 bet on turn, as a bluff. You might get a call from A high and you'll fold out hands that would bluff you
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Old 09-19-2007, 12:19 PM
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Default Re: Probably standard, JJ in 3-bet pot OOP

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Is a flop bet bad in this spot?

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What's the plan if we get shoved on? Or worse if they call and leave us one PSB left on the turn?
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Old 09-19-2007, 12:22 PM
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Default Re: Probably standard, JJ in 3-bet pot OOP

Consider blocking the turn for $30. As played, I think you have to let it go. It really sux being OOP in this hand.
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Old 09-19-2007, 12:28 PM
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Default Re: Probably standard, JJ in 3-bet pot OOP

anyone like a call turn -&gt; c/f river line?
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Old 09-19-2007, 12:31 PM
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Default Re: Probably standard, JJ in 3-bet pot OOP

I usually bet the flop against a guy who isn't floating. The reason is that I'm OOP and I really don't like the flop. It makes the hand easier to play.

It might not be the most +EV play on paper because he's not calling with worse and we don't give him a chance to bluff. But I think it is more +EV for me because I am less likely to make a mistake.

If he is floating, I will either double barrel, or check and bet a lot of turns. Although check calling is probably fine too.

As played, you are probably good often enough to call this, but if he cabable of shoving the river as a bluff and you don't know if you can call, I kinda like a min raise on the turn.

It looks strong without putting all your money in the pot, and he will have a very difficult time continuing unless he has you crushed. It also prevents you from having a tough call on the river when he is bluffing some % of the time.
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Old 09-19-2007, 12:32 PM
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Default Re: Probably standard, JJ in 3-bet pot OOP

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anyone like a call turn -&gt; c/f river line?

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IDK it's just begging to be bluffed off your hand I think.
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