Latest AP press release

[Cruzincat]

Movie plotline: Matt Damon's Rounders character falls on hard times and is relegated to play online poker only. Learns a lot about computer networking, internet etc. Makes the case for an online poker company that has been cheating their customers. Writes a book and a screenplay, Ben Affleck plays his character. Damon gets enough money from his part in the successful movie to enter the WSOP and wins! Fade away as you see a headline, Absolute Poker going strong, years after disgrace.

[LuckyMux]

Why has AP insisted that Nat sign an NDA saying he cannot reveal who was using account #363? WTF?

Is it possibly anything to do with the fact that account 363 was being used from Scott Tom's home IP address...?

The cover-up has become worse than the offence. Deleted hand histories, press releases so full of lies they hurt your eyes to read, and all because AP is still protecting the people (yes, plural) who, it claims, swindled the company out of $1.6m.

Bullsh*t.

(BTW, Nat - any information you had already heard, from any source, whether you knew it to be correct or not at the time, is NOT covered by the NDA.)

[McFatSauce]

I really doubt ESPN is going to say anything on this partly due to the large number of Absolute Poker and Ultimate Bet ads they have running.

[shakedown]

In regards to the HHs that supposedly "can't be found" - I emailed Absolute back in September, along with a few other poker sites, asking for their data retention policy. Someone from support assured me that they have a backup of all the hands I ever played on their servers (although I don't actually plan on playing there - I was just enquiring about their data retention).

In saying that, I know that HHs do actually cost a lot of money and resources to store (one of the reasons why I was asking about data retention in the first place) - it's not as simple as saying 500GB HDs only cost $100 so everyones HHs should fit on $2000 worth of hardware (or whatever low amount). The actual cost is more than 100x this amount.

PM me if you want more details.


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Dear XX,

Thank you for your feedback.

We are glad to inform you that every single hand that you play will be stored at your hard drive with a backup at our servers that you can request from your account and will be sent directly to your email.

In regards to your tournament, sit & go and ring game stats, we can send you a summary of the last three months including table numbers, tournament IDs, buy in amount, prize paid, and account balance before and after each single action, you will also be able to see dates and times of each session.

In order to provide you with your login data or your personal details you must write us from your registered email address and provide us the following information:

- Complete Name
- Nickname
- Registered email address
- Complete physical address
- Phone number
- Deposit method and ID details
- Zip code

In regards to your transaction history we can send you a summary of your deposits withdrawals and transfers. In this summary you will be able to see dates, amounts, descriptors or processors and trace ID.

For more detailed information on all the special features that we have to offer please visit the following link so that you can be well informed:

http://www.absolutepoker.com/support/features.asp

Thanks for playing at Absolute Poker! If there is anything else we can help you with, please let us know. We are here for you!

Sincerely,

Aaron
Team Absolute ~ Customer Support
"To Continue to be the Best and Most Trusted"
Support@AbsolutePoker.Com

We’re Here To Stay! All Players Welcome!

Come and join the action this weekend with our 150k guaranteed on Saturday and 60k on Sunday! With more and bigger guaranteed tournaments, Absolute Poker is your place to play. See you at the tables whenever, wherever!

--Original Message--
From: XXX@gmail.com
Date: 09/14/07
To: support@absolutepoker.com
Subject: Re: My stats and hand data [#7734093]

I don't want you to send me the actual data - I would like to know whether
it's possible to receive this, as it will be a major factor if and when I
decide to sign up with you.


On 9/13/07, support@absolutepoker.com <support@absolutepoker.com> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Valued Customer,
>
> Thank you for contacting us.
>
> Unfortunately, we were unable to locate an account under the email address
> XXX@gmail.com.
>
> To ensure the security of our customers' account, it is our policy not to
> provide any information about an account to anyone but the account holder.
> To verify that you are the owner of the account, please contact us from the
> registered email address or send us an email with the following information:
>
> - Complete Name
> - Nickname
> - Registered email address
> - Complete physical address
> - Phone number
> - Deposit method and ID details
> - Zip code
>
> By submitting this information, we will confirm your account rights and
> then we can properly provide you with the requested information. In
> addition, please feel free to update any of your personal data by going to
> the main poker lobby at "My Account" and "Update Profile".
>
> Thanks for playing at Absolute Poker! If there is anything else we can
> help you with, please let us know. We are here for you!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Aaron
> Team Absolute ~ Customer Support
> "To Continue to be the Best and Most Trusted"
> Support@AbsolutePoker.Com
>
> We're Here To Stay! All Players Welcome!
>
> Come and join the action this weekend with our 150k guaranteed on Saturday
> and 60k on Sunday! With more and bigger guaranteed tournaments, Absolute
> Poker is your place to play. See you at the tables whenever, wherever!
>
> --Original Message--
> From: XXX@gmail.com
> Date: 09/10/07
> To: support@absolutepoker.com
> Subject: My stats and hand data[#7734093]
>
> Hi,
>
> If I ever wanted to, is it possible for you to send me complete details
> on:
>
> - All my hand histories for every game i've ever played
> - All my ring game session stats (amount won/lost, limits played, session
> lengths etc)
> - All my tournament stats (tournaments played, amount won)
> - All my login data (where i've logged in from, what computers, what IP
> addresses etc)
> - All my transaction history (amount deposited and withdrawn and which
> processors)
> - All my personal details (when i changed my name, address, email etc)
>
> I know that some of this is available via your client, but i would like
> more
> detailed information over longer time periods.
>
> Do you keep all this information and provide it on request? Are there date
> limits that restrict the amount of data I can get or can I get it for all
> of
> time? Or do you not even provide this service?
>
> I don't want this data just yet, but it may be helpful in the future...
>
> Thanks
> XXX
>
>
>
>

[CPOner]

i feel so much better knowing that they fired the person responsible

what a joke

im pretty sure that most people and corporations would think that stealing nearly a million dollars from loyal innocent customers should require a punishment slightly more harsh then firing the 'employee'

but maybe im weird (ok i know im weird... but still)

imagine if it was little old me that somehow was able to view the hole cards... not an employee... not affiliated with them in any way shape or form... imagine if i, some random online player, somehow cheated customers out of $800,000 and got caught... i guess they would just ban my account and leave it alone past that? yeah right... im sure id be sitting in jail right now

this statement is just another in a series of very convenient truths


feels like they carefully took note of what the community knew... and proceeded to weave the 'truth' around that information.... well played AP... NH

hopefully soon they make the same bluff and run head first into the nuts

[N 82 50 24]

[ QUOTE ]
Why has AP insisted that Nat sign an NDA saying he cannot reveal who was using account #363? WTF?

Is it possibly anything to do with the fact that account 363 was being used from Scott Tom's home IP address...?

The cover-up has become worse than the offence. Deleted hand histories, press releases so full of lies they hurt your eyes to read, and all because AP is still protecting the people (yes, plural) who, it claims, swindled the company out of $1.6m.

Bullsh*t.

(BTW, Nat - any information you had already heard, from any source, whether you knew it to be correct or not at the time, is NOT covered by the NDA.)

[/ QUOTE ]
LuckyMux,

I appreciate your efforts in this whole thing, but I am bothered by your lacking of reading comprehension here. That is not what I said about #363. It has nothing to do with who was using it or what the name was on the account, but simply which account name was connected to #363.

Please be more careful in the future about stuff like this.

-Nat

[LuckyMux]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Why has AP insisted that Nat sign an NDA saying he cannot reveal who was using account #363? WTF?

Is it possibly anything to do with the fact that account 363 was being used from Scott Tom's home IP address...?

The cover-up has become worse than the offence. Deleted hand histories, press releases so full of lies they hurt your eyes to read, and all because AP is still protecting the people (yes, plural) who, it claims, swindled the company out of $1.6m.

Bullsh*t.

(BTW, Nat - any information you had already heard, from any source, whether you knew it to be correct or not at the time, is NOT covered by the NDA.)

[/ QUOTE ]
LuckyMux,

I appreciate your efforts in this whole thing, but I am bothered by your lacking of reading comprehension here. That is not what I said about #363. It has nothing to do with who was using it or what the name was on the account, but simply which account name was connected to #363.

Please be more careful in the future about stuff like this.

-Nat

[/ QUOTE ]

Sorry Nat, I must be in dim mode at the moment.

Are you saying it's which of 'the other four (not POTRIPPER)' accounts was #363 that you cannot tell us?

I must be missing something. Apart from the link between #363 and Scott Tom himself, why does it matter what name #363 called itself?

If #363 is Graycat, Doubledrag or whatever, what difference does it make? It's who was using it to cheat that matters, surely?

BTW, AP said you would not be allowed to examine the cheating accounts, at the request (order?) of GA. Did the GA people explain why they did that? Wasn't as if you could tamper with the evidence or anything.

EDIT: re. the NDA: I've never heard of one that would apply retroactively, and I've seen - and signed - loads. They're all much of a muchness.

An NDA is simply a promise to not share a secret. If it isn't actually a secret, the NDA is invalid. Not really sure why AP demanded one when they flat-out refused to let you see the really important stuff anyway.

[N 82 50 24]

[ QUOTE ]
Are you saying it's which of 'the other four (not POTRIPPER)' accounts was #363 that you cannot tell us?

I must be missing something. Apart from the link between #363 and Scott Tom himself, why does it matter what name #363 called itself?

If #363 is Graycat, Doubledrag or whatever, what difference does it make? It's who was using it to cheat that matters, surely?

[/ QUOTE ]
It doesn't matter. I already knew before I went into AP that #363 was one of the other four. When I was there I found out which account it was, but I can't say. The important thing is that POTRIPPER was logged on that day and #363 was logged on that day. In addition, since 363 did play, that basically says the 363 was not the mechanism for sharing hole cards (most likely).

[ QUOTE ]
BTW, AP said you would not be allowed to examine the cheating accounts, at the request (order?) of GA. Did the GA people explain why they did that? Wasn't as if you could tamper with the evidence or anything.

[/ QUOTE ]
No, that was not explained to me, but the basic theory is that auditors don't like other people auditing what they're auditing at the same time.

[Sponger.]

Why is hiding Scott Tom's name so important to them?

[Sponger.]

[ QUOTE ]
Why is hiding Scott Tom's name so important to them?

[/ QUOTE ]

Also Nat on a more personal level, did you laugh out loud when they asked you to not mention his name even though this "Search results for query: +scott +tom N 82 50 24" returns over 40 results.