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Old 10-13-2007, 12:32 AM
monkeytales monkeytales is offline
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Default On The Fly 4 bet...thoughts?

Preface: I staked UTG+1 to play in this game.

1/3 NL Live...I have $325 in MP. Table has been loose-passive as always in this game...I know all the players. UTG limps, UTg+1 ($100) limps, another limper, I limp with 77, 5 other limpers, the BB (random lady who just throws chips in) makes it $20 more (she has $25 left). UTG folds, UTG +1 min-raises to $40...I have logged thousands of live hands with UTG+1 and know that he loves to do this with AQ, AK. I push...thoughts??? Results later...
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Old 10-13-2007, 01:18 AM
Big_Jim Big_Jim is offline
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Default Re: On The Fly 4 bet...thoughts?

well.. if the money means anything to you, busting your stakee is stupid
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Old 10-13-2007, 01:31 AM
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Default Re: On The Fly 4 bet...thoughts?

well not playin your stakee liek ud play anyone else is cheating.

i guess its common but i dont think it sok for u to play in the same game.

even if u dont collude u might do it even without thinking about it.
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Old 10-13-2007, 01:34 AM
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Default Re: On The Fly 4 bet...thoughts?

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well not playin your stakee liek ud play anyone else is cheating.

i guess its common but i dont think it sok for u to play in the same game.

even if u dont collude u might do it even without thinking about it.

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soft playing isn't cheating
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Old 10-13-2007, 01:37 AM
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Default Re: On The Fly 4 bet...thoughts?

ISO'ing the person you are staking is really bad.
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Old 10-13-2007, 01:57 AM
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Default Re: On The Fly 4 bet...thoughts?

Ok...forget the fact that I staked him...now what?
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Old 10-13-2007, 05:31 AM
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Default Re: On The Fly 4 bet...thoughts?

Why would you stake someone who pulls plays like this

And why would you stake him for 1/3 a buyin
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Old 10-13-2007, 06:27 AM
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Default Re: On The Fly 4 bet...thoughts?

If you're staking him with some sort of 50/50 on the winnings while you cover the losses deal you then getting it in as a coinflip with him is very -EV (not considering the dead money, half the time he doubles to $200, keeping $50 of your money, half the time you bust him, profiting nothing).

Even if you're not staking him this seems overly risky - the first raisor may have picked up a hand on occasion, and even UTG+1 will occasionally have an overpair. UTG+1 isn't folding AQ/AK getting over 3:1, so at best you've got a small edge from the dead money, and I don't think that's enough to compensate for the times you're way behind.
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Old 10-13-2007, 07:03 AM
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Are you playing 20 handed?
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