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Old 10-29-2007, 02:06 AM
Hooked Hooked is offline
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Default KK deep, how do play it preflop with these stack sizes and this action

villain is 17/14/3.45 over 150 hands and then this hand came up which i can honestly say i am not sure how to play this hand optimally for the long run.
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CO: $104.35
BTN: $195.85
Hero (SB): $317.30
BB: $92.40
UTG: $185.30

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
2 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $3.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $13</font>, BB folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $45</font>, <font color="red">Hero??

Do i push here of just call, and if i just call how do i play it preflop on certain boards, do i stack off on all blank undercards?
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Old 10-29-2007, 02:08 AM
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Default Re: KK deep, how do play it preflop with these stack sizes and this ac

i'd personally cawl, but you can push too
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Old 10-29-2007, 02:10 AM
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Default Re: KK deep, how do play it preflop with these stack sizes and this ac

if you call on what boards do you push or call a push post flop, and you just call here to get value out of hands like jj and QQ????????????????
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Old 10-29-2007, 03:47 AM
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Default Re: KK deep, how do play it preflop with these stack sizes and this ac

exactly. it's hard to get in 150bb with jj. getting in 45 now is perfect as the flop is a potsize shove.
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Old 10-29-2007, 03:54 AM
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exactly. it's hard to get in 150bb with jj. getting in 45 now is perfect as the flop is a potsize shove.

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Old 10-29-2007, 04:02 AM
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Default Re: KK deep, how do play it preflop with these stack sizes and this ac

Yeah, just call, a 17/14 nit isn't going to be getting it in with you pf with JJ, and will probably even fold QQ and AK to a 5-bet this deep. As played I would get it in on any lowish flops, and probably have to make a tough decision and play poker if the flop is scary. (FWIW, I think a 17/14's 4-betting range is probably like QQ+, AK)
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Old 10-29-2007, 04:24 AM
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exactly. it's hard to get in 150bb with jj. getting in 45 now is perfect as the flop is a potsize shove.

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Old 10-29-2007, 04:27 AM
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Default Re: KK deep, how do play it preflop with these stack sizes and this ac

What if he cbets an Axx flop? Gonna be tough for you to pay of 150bb then.

I like getting it all in here, it's btn v blind and we know he's aggressive so that should lower his calling range a tiny bit. If he folds we take 50bb and should be happy.
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