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Old 11-30-2007, 06:16 PM
SonOfWestwood SonOfWestwood is offline
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Default How do you like to play against maniacs like this??

Playing NL200, guy ran at around 65/35. Very bad. He'd bet every street until someone showed aggression. For example, I saw him 3B JJ pre-flop (from 8 to 64!!), then bet 3 streets when checked to w/ a KQx flop, ultimately losing $400 on the hand.

I had a hand with him where he called my PFR w/ Q8h out of one of the blinds. I called his flop donk, raised his turn, and put him AI on the river when he checked to me w/ a flop of AQx.

How bad he is really isn't the point, I guess. The thing that made me wonder a bit how to play him was the sizing of his pre-flop raises. If he opened, it would be anywhere in the neighborhood of $16-$24 (8-12 BB's). What sorts of hands do you like to play w/ him? Do you bother 3 betting pre-flop since it seems you can get all his money post-flop anyway? Remember that we can't wait forever since he'll bleed off all his chips relatively soon.

Here's a specific hand I had against him that confused me a bit.

SB 570.65
BB 342.85
Hero 566.40
CO 638.10
BN 278.35

Hero has A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero raises to 8, 2 folds, SB raises to 50 total, Hero ??

He didn't seem to 3 bet pre-flop light at all. What do you like to do here? We're reasonably deep, so I wasn't sure what would be a good line.

Of course, I could just shove here and gamble it up, but there certainly will be better situations to get it all in against a guy like this.

Thanks for your thoughts.
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Old 11-30-2007, 06:27 PM
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Default Re: How do you like to play against maniacs like this??

You have a premium hand against a maniac who hates to fold and will definitely call with worse = 4bet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 11-30-2007, 06:40 PM
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Default Re: How do you like to play against maniacs like this??

get all in preflop
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Old 11-30-2007, 06:42 PM
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Default Re: How do you like to play against maniacs like this??

That's so sick 300bb deep... but I still 4bet.
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Old 11-30-2007, 06:42 PM
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Default Re: How do you like to play against maniacs like this??

all in, or as close to it as you can, preflop with TT+, AQ+. Postflop, all in with top pair.
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Old 11-30-2007, 06:57 PM
Wilson Cortez Wilson Cortez is offline
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Default Re: How do you like to play against maniacs like this??

why not call and if you spike an A or K he stacks anyways. seems to be a waste to shove.
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Old 11-30-2007, 06:58 PM
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Default Re: How do you like to play against maniacs like this??

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why not call and if you spike an A or K he stacks anyways. seems to be a waste to shove.

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You flop an ace or king only 33% of the time.
What's your plan the other 66%?

Not 4betting here is so gross.
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Old 11-30-2007, 07:18 PM
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Default Re: How do you like to play against maniacs like this??

Okay, so say we 4B pre-flop, and he calls (I'm gonna ignore the more obvious case of if he 5 bets pre-flop since we just get it all in there), what do we do on the flop if we don't hit? Do we call him down, likely having to get it all in to get to showdown? Do we get it all in if checked to?
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Old 11-30-2007, 08:15 PM
Wilson Cortez Wilson Cortez is offline
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Default Re: How do you like to play against maniacs like this??

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Okay, so say we 4B pre-flop, and he calls (I'm gonna ignore the more obvious case of if he 5 bets pre-flop since we just get it all in there), what do we do on the flop if we don't hit? Do we call him down, likely having to get it all in to get to showdown? Do we get it all in if checked to?

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this is pretty much what im saying. if we 4 bet here, i would rather just 4 bet shove.
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Old 11-30-2007, 08:50 PM
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Default Re: How do you like to play against maniacs like this??

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why not call and if you spike an A or K he stacks anyways. seems to be a waste to shove.

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You flop an ace or king only 33% of the time.
What's your plan the other 66%?

Not 4betting here is so gross.

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That sounds so horrible. Your strategy is basically to play pre-flop poker against an opponent whose flaw is playing badly after the flop.

Against this opponent, you want to see flops and decide on the flop if you want to call him down or not.
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