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Old 01-10-2007, 12:29 AM
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i didnt see what blind levels are but theres 1850+ 5450=7300 in pot and its 3600 to call (2 to 1). AK is only less than about coin flip vs KK AA; I call here

other bonus is that if you lose coin flip you are still ok
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Old 01-10-2007, 12:36 AM
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oops i thought villain was allin here. sorry.
id push here

Brian
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Old 01-10-2007, 12:41 AM
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stop and going is terrible. I see that play all the time and it's one of the worst moves you can make because it shows you just don't get what you're trying to do...if you were ahead of him PF somehow, why are you now shoving when there's a good chance you're not? if he has a big pair and there's no A/K on the flop, what are you doing?

I mean, *calling* preflop w. no plan is certainly not good, but it's miles ahead of a stop and go
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Old 01-10-2007, 01:21 AM
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half of me says just stick it in, you have AK with 20xbb in a $20

but then the other half says people dont 3bet light here at all
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Old 01-10-2007, 02:01 AM
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I bet that if you crank these same assumptions through an ICM calculator, it turns the tournament EV negative (worth checking out if you have the time). Given heros's stack size and where we are in the tourney, there will be plenty of higher EV opportunities...
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Old 01-10-2007, 11:34 AM
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half of me says just stick it in, you have AK with 20xbb in a $20

but then the other half says people dont 3bet light here at all

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so which is your better half?

honestly, this was just one of those rare situations that i can find a fold with AKo. Had i been suited, i think it is more a shove than a fold.
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Old 01-10-2007, 01:35 PM
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half of me says just stick it in, you have AK with 20xbb in a $20

but then the other half says people dont 3bet light here at all

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so which is your better half?

honestly, this was just one of those rare situations that i can find a fold with AKo. Had i been suited, i think it is more a shove than a fold.

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I don't understand the strength you give to your cards when they are suited & going heads-up. You only get a flush 5% of the time.

I have a tendency to not want to risk it all with AK when I believe there is a good chance of being up against QQ-AA,AK.
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Old 01-10-2007, 01:59 PM
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I have a question for the guys that play these regularly: Is his 3-betting range really as tight as TT-AA, AK, AQs? No bluffs? Disregard Harrington's Rule on Bluffing or whatever he calls it? Is it not possible he is thinking one level deeper and knows you will give him credit for a big hand and fold a lot. I think Lloyd's analysis is pretty good, I just think that we are giving him an awful lot of credit. With the overlay I don't think I could convince myself to fold, but it is closer than some people are making it out to be. Calling obviously blows.
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Old 01-10-2007, 02:20 PM
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I have a question for the guys that play these regularly: Is his 3-betting range really as tight as TT-AA, AK, AQs? No bluffs? Disregard Harrington's Rule on Bluffing or whatever he calls it? Is it not possible he is thinking one level deeper and knows you will give him credit for a big hand and fold a lot. I think Lloyd's analysis is pretty good, I just think that we are giving him an awful lot of credit. With the overlay I don't think I could convince myself to fold, but it is closer than some people are making it out to be. Calling obviously blows.

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What hands would you put Villian on, where he would re-raise Preflop with 41% of his stack, against a guy who open/raised 3x BB UTG and has showdown strong hands?

How about:
80% of the time: TT-AA,AK and never folds
10% of the time: 88-AA,AK,AQs and folds the AQs
10% of the time: 77-AA,AK,AQs,JTs and folds the AQs &JTs

Is that closer to the range you were thinking?
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Old 01-10-2007, 03:38 PM
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Is a stop-and-go ok here? Hero will be pushing ~8K into an ~12K pot on the flop, so I'm not sure about the FE even against whiffed mid pairs. Not that I mind a push.

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A stop and go works only if you're first to act on the flop. That's not the case here.

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uh, no. That is the case here. Hero is UTG+1, villain is CO. I don't like it, BTW, I just wanted the option discussed.
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