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Old 11-27-2007, 11:36 AM
Jinx Jinx is offline
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Default Re: maybe standard laydown with a flush, 25/50

never played with tsarrat but doesn't your line look pretty bluffy?
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Old 11-27-2007, 02:32 PM
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Default Re: maybe standard laydown with a flush, 25/50

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never played with tsarrat but doesn't your line look pretty bluffy?

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i don't think so unless tsarrast thinks OP will bet out into two players with air a lot on this board.
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Old 11-27-2007, 05:37 PM
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Default Re: maybe standard laydown with a flush, 25/50

i would call, i think your flush is good at least 40% of the time
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Old 11-28-2007, 01:57 AM
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Default Re: maybe standard laydown with a flush, 25/50

It is a spot where hero's range is completely undefined, and tsarrast is going to usually have showdown value hands here that either beat a bluff or do not beat a bluff. When he raises in a spot where DJ either has a flush, fh or is bluffing (given this action and this board), a raise signifies a lot of strength.

Therefore I agree with fsu that this should be a fold, though im not nearly good enough to snap fold [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

It is important to note that we do beat 2 very reasonable combinations of flushes (7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]) which would likely play this way. However higher flushes and 88 should also be given a fair amount of weight.
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Old 11-28-2007, 01:58 AM
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Default Re: maybe standard laydown with a flush, 25/50

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never played with tsarrat but doesn't your line look pretty bluffy?

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This is why you should fold [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].
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Old 11-28-2007, 02:42 AM
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Default Re: maybe standard laydown with a flush, 25/50

Those who bet the turn are we doing so purely to fold out a better flush draw? Because nothing else folds, right?
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Old 11-28-2007, 02:51 AM
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Default Re: maybe standard laydown with a flush, 25/50

Rich, idk the guy in question but lots of pps he could have often fold to a 2nd barrel.
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Old 11-28-2007, 08:31 AM
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Default Re: maybe standard laydown with a flush, 25/50

Hmm. It seems to me like the best case scenario for any one pair hand which the button called the flop with: the pfr folded, and the turn came an offsuit 2. If there isn't too much history, why would we expect him to fold a pair on the turn when there aren't actually very many strong hands we're representing at all?
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Old 11-28-2007, 01:36 PM
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Default Re: maybe standard laydown with a flush, 25/50

I would fold and leave the table, thats a sick lineup even if there is a fish
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Old 11-28-2007, 01:38 PM
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I would fold and leave the table, thats a sick lineup even if there is a fish

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disagree, but barely. one big fish is enough to feed a whole table. but agree that doesnt even look like a very good 100/200 table...
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