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Old 04-23-2006, 01:38 PM
mblax10 mblax10 is offline
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Default Players act out of turn-Do I have anybody to blame but myself.

10/20 last night. UTG raises, 1 call. Just before the player to my right acts, the waitress arrives with my drink. I have not touched my cards yet. They are sitting to the right of my big stack of chips.

I turn to tip the waitress and take the drink/cupholder from her. I look down at A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and 3 bet unaware that the player too my left has folded out of turn & the CO & button have both called 2 bets.

Floor is called. The dealer explains I had never acted and she was looking at me the whole time. Floor rules their has been significant action and I can not raise I can only call. I argue that I hadn't acted yet, but I really don't know the correct ruling and quickly concede that I can only call.

Is this my fault for being distracted by the waitress/Not having my cards visable? (As a side note I always keep my cards in front of my chip stack after I've made my intial pre-flop action.) Did floor/dealer act correctly on this hand?
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Old 04-23-2006, 01:42 PM
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Default Re: Players act out of turn-Do I have anybody to blame but myself.

Sounds right to me.
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Old 04-23-2006, 01:50 PM
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Default Re: Players act out of turn-Do I have anybody to blame but myself.

It's always seemed to me that the "significant action" clause is just ripe for angle shoots. Suppose that there's no waitress involved and OP's hand is visible. What's to stop the next couple of players from just deciding they feel like paying two bets out of turn?
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Old 04-23-2006, 01:57 PM
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Default Re: Players act out of turn-Do I have anybody to blame but myself.

What the waitress is doing is not more important than what you are doing. One SB to you is 10 drinks for her.
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Old 04-23-2006, 02:15 PM
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Default Re: Players act out of turn-Do I have anybody to blame but myself.

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Floor is called. The dealer explains I had never acted and she was looking at me the whole time. Floor rules their has been significant action and I can not raise I can only call. I argue that I hadn't acted yet, but I really don't know the correct ruling and quickly concede that I can only call.

Is this my fault for being distracted by the waitress/Not having my cards visable? (As a side note I always keep my cards in front of my chip stack after I've made my intial pre-flop action.) Did floor/dealer act correctly on this hand?


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This is a horrible decision. A pleyer has the responsibility to protect their action; if your action was not protected and significant action occurred after you your hand is dead; however, the dealer had the action on you so you are protected. This rule exists so when someone is being passed they have to speak up and stop the action, the dealer had the action on you so no action that occurs out of turn can be significant.

I would want to hear exactly from the table before ruling on this in an actual casino, but only being allowed to call cannot be the correct decision. If your action was protected (by you or the dealer) you may raise, if not your hand is dead, there is no middle gorund where "you didn't act so some of your options are taken from you."
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Old 04-23-2006, 02:26 PM
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What a lame decision. The dealer should have stopped them from acting out of turn. You 3-bet, now those donks should either have to fold, leaving there cold called bets in the pot, or call the 3-bet. It was obvious that you were not trying to angle shoot and that you were slightly preoccupied at the time.
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Old 04-23-2006, 02:34 PM
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It was obvious that you were not trying to angle shoot and that you were slightly preoccupied at the time.

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This is true. There is a chance that this action could be construed as OP's disinterest in his hand. However, the dealer did not take it to be as such. I don't hate the ruling, but it seems a little odd.

FWIW, I always wait for my action before tipping the server. If I miss her this time, I'll tip her double next time, or find her later and tip her then.
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Old 04-23-2006, 02:36 PM
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What a lame decision. The dealer should have stopped them from acting out of turn. You 3-bet, now those donks should either have to fold, leaving there [sic.] cold called bets in the pot, or call the 3-bet.

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Well, it doesn't quite work like that -- an action out of turn isn't binding. Just curious, are you basing the bolded idea on any known poker rules, or your own interpretation of how donks should be punished?
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Old 04-23-2006, 02:40 PM
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an action out of turn isn't binding.

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It is sometimes in NL, isn't it?
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Old 04-23-2006, 02:46 PM
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an action out of turn isn't binding.

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It is sometimes in NL, isn't it?

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The rule is action out of turn MAY be binding. There always local execptions to rules, but that is the best rule. The best way to interpret that is if hte situation when it reaches the out of turn player has changed they may act, but if the situation is the same as when they thougth it was their action they do not get to chagne thei r mind. Two quick examples, in the OP's case if he had been allowed to raise the out of turn callers would have their bets returned to them so they can call fold or raise. FOr another example say the button bets out of turn, the bet is returend to him and action corrected to the correct order; if it is checked to the button I would generally rule he must raise as that is what he did the first time when he thoght it was checked to him.
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