Full Tilt $30 MTT; QQ in the BB - Page 2

levAA · #11 11-19-2007, 06:31 PM

The interesting point on this hand is that UTG+1 had 2 limpers behind him.

Therefore I gave him a wider range for his 3-bet, than I would do if we were heads-up, as he has to kick out the limpers.

So the end of the story:

I typed in the chat-box "KK+?" and shoved - he turned over KK and I lost. Still I think the shove was correct on this situation imo.

21times20 · #12 11-19-2007, 06:59 PM

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I typed in the chat-box "KK+?" and shoved - he turned over KK and I lost. Still I think the shove was correct on this situation imo.

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the shove may have been correct, but it's a lot more marginal here than a little later in the tournament, at least then it's somewhat more likely that your opponent could be re-raising putting you on a steal after the multiple limpers, however, it's unlikely a good player is going to come to that conclusion when the bb is t40

however the more important issue is you typing "KK+?" in chat, this is pretty much always completely wrong imo

OrrLives · #13 11-19-2007, 07:08 PM

This will almost always be QQ+ or AK.

If it was heads up, then shoving might be more correct. But in my experience players (especially decent players) tend not make these type of plays in a 4way field without a really good hand.

ChipSpeak · #14 11-19-2007, 08:19 PM

I agree Lev, his range is too wide to get away from this, I think I do what you did... nh.

jonnyd · #15 11-19-2007, 08:32 PM

how wide though? admittedly QQ is awesome and im not auto folding this every time. but what do you guys have as a range for this?

ChipSpeak · #16 11-19-2007, 09:05 PM

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how wide though? admittedly QQ is awesome and im not auto folding this every time. but what do you guys have as a range for this?

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We can see 22+ , not many aces are doing this, but when you consider this....
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I saw 3 l/r PF yesterday... AJ, 88, 33

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and I've seen the many stunts like these as well...

jonnyd · #17 11-19-2007, 09:13 PM

i dont know. given the read that the player recognized the other i just dont think the range is that wide.

although i can see why an argument can be made that it would be wider because of that exact fact.

hamnegger · #18 11-19-2007, 11:21 PM

hes putting in 1/2 stack this is no bluff. i think its a fold but i would in heat of battle possibly shove

levAA · #19 11-20-2007, 09:18 AM

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hes putting in 1/2 stack this is no bluff. i think its a fold but i would in heat of battle possibly shove

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ham,

i completely agree that this is no bluff.
the question is how often is this a value bet with TT+,AQ to eliminate the limpers and get heads up with me to make the shove with QQ correct.

in my usual donkaments I never fold QQ preflop and I think this is the correct play in SSMTT. this situation was interesting for me, therefore i posted it.