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Old 10-16-2007, 05:43 AM
shpanko shpanko is offline
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Default Re: 4-way CB with 56s wheeeee

Man 5-10 is fun!

Full Tilt Poker, $5/$10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (BB): $1,008.75
UTG: $1,033
CO: $178.25
BTN: $1,110.25
SB: $290

Pre-Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG folds, CO calls $10, 2 folds, Hero checks

Flop: ($25) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $25</font>, CO calls $25

Turn: ($75) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $55</font>, CO calls $55

River: ($185) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $90</font>, CO calls $88.25 and is All-In

Results: $361.50 Pot ($3 Rake)
Hero showed 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (two pair, Nines and Sevens) and LOST (-$178.25 NET)
CO showed 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (two pair, Aces and Nines) and WON $358.50 (+$180.25 NET)
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Old 10-16-2007, 05:43 AM
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Default Re: 4-way CB with 56s wheeeee

With no reads how do we know he's capable of putting in this sort of c/r ?? Just wondering I always think i'm giving my opponents too much credit when I think like this because they always show up with 99/33.
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Old 10-16-2007, 05:45 AM
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Default Re: 4-way CB with 56s wheeeee

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Man 5-10 is fun!

Full Tilt Poker, $5/$10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (BB): $1,008.75
UTG: $1,033
CO: $178.25
BTN: $1,110.25
SB: $290

Pre-Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG folds, CO calls $10, 2 folds, Hero checks

Flop: ($25) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $25</font>, CO calls $25

Turn: ($75) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $55</font>, CO calls $55

River: ($185) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $90</font>, CO calls $88.25 and is All-In

Results: $361.50 Pot ($3 Rake)
Hero showed 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (two pair, Nines and Sevens) and LOST (-$178.25 NET)
CO showed 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (two pair, Aces and Nines) and WON $358.50 (+$180.25 NET)

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nice addition to this discussion buddy.
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Old 10-16-2007, 05:55 AM
ValarMorghulis ValarMorghulis is offline
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Default Re: 4-way CB with 56s wheeeee

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You have to stack him like every time for this to be profitable.


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I think my rule-of-thumb maths must be wrong. I thought that we are nearly getting direct odds and that we don't need much in implied to make that up.
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Old 10-16-2007, 05:59 AM
shpanko shpanko is offline
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Default Re: 4-way CB with 56s wheeeee

lol whoops, wrong thread, as for the hand I think I agree that betting and checking the flop are neutral EV and should be done at about the smae frequency. I think I prefer checking here because of the number of people, it makes it more likely someone has somethign even though it's a dry board
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Old 10-16-2007, 06:23 AM
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Default Re: 4-way CB with 56s wheeeee

I take a freebie here because no one will see our hand coming.
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Old 10-16-2007, 02:06 PM
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Default Re: 4-way CB with 56s wheeeee

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You have to stack him like every time for this to be profitable.


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I think my rule-of-thumb maths must be wrong. I thought that we are nearly getting direct odds and that we don't need much in implied to make that up.

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We're getting 5.2:1 implied, and we're only 4.9:1 to hit our draw on the next card.
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Old 10-16-2007, 02:20 PM
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Default Re: 4-way CB with 56s wheeeee

I like checking our double gutter back here. Gives us a free card and keeps the pot smaller, so if someone bets into us on the turn our implied odds are bigger becasue there is more left in our stack to bet or raise on the river
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Old 10-16-2007, 02:35 PM
Nick Royale Nick Royale is offline
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Default Re: 4-way CB with 56s wheeeee

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You have to stack him like every time for this to be profitable.


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I think my rule-of-thumb maths must be wrong. I thought that we are nearly getting direct odds and that we don't need much in implied to make that up.

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We're getting 5.2:1 implied, and we're only 4.9:1 to hit our draw on the next card.

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If these are the odds we need to fold the flop even if we get him all-in on the turn 100% when we hit.
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Old 10-16-2007, 02:38 PM
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i think its a good spot to c/r with air b/c it looks strong. we've got an open ended straight draw, once we get here like this i think calling is pretty bad bc we have to fold on a blank turn. we're currently getting 3:1 on our money and we have some fold equity. yay variance.

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shoving this is suicide w/o a significant amount of history
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