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Old 08-12-2007, 06:31 PM
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Default combinatorial argument

Use a combinatorial argument to find the identity of 1^4+ 2^4 +3^4 + 4^4 +....+n^4 .

In fact you can use a similar argument for any exponent you wish ,it just takes longer to do for each increasing exponent .
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Old 08-12-2007, 07:14 PM
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Default Re: combinatorial argument

I believe you can do this by the repitoire summing method for the next largest exponent, but I don't know if that's technically combinatorial (even though I learned it in combinatorics class).
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Old 08-12-2007, 10:06 PM
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The identity is n*(n+1)*(2n+1)*(3n^2+3n-1)/30 .

There is no direct way of getting this answer . Just find some polynomial of 5th degree that works out to the above after factoring .
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Old 08-13-2007, 01:01 AM
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Show that 1^4+2^4+3^4+...+n^4 = 24*(n+1)c5 +36*(n+1)c4 + 8*(n+1)c3 + 6*(n+1)c3 + (n+1)c2 for n>=4
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Old 08-13-2007, 03:09 AM
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Default Re: combinatorial argument

I posted a general recursive method to find this type of sum, basically employing "summation by parts." Is this what you are looking for? It isn't slick, but it gets the job done.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...ue#Post10807391
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Old 08-13-2007, 09:37 AM
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Default Re: combinatorial argument

Thx for the reply Boris , but that wasn't what I was looking for .

There is an argument that allows you to count something in two different ways . One way is the left side and the other way is the right side . I think it's pretty neat because it's the only explicit way you can arrive at such a formula for these types of series .
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Old 08-13-2007, 03:00 PM
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Default Re: combinatorial argument

Perhaps it is easier to show the following :

1^2+2^2+3^2+...+n^2 = 2*(n+1)c3+(n+1)c2 for n>=2

1^3+2^3+3^3+...+n^3 = 6*(n+1)c4 + 6*(n+1)c3 + (n+1)c2 for n>=3

Notice that the rhs of the second equation reduces to [(n+1)c2]^2 . Pretty interesting , nonetheless .
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