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Old 07-23-2007, 12:10 PM
JimboNYY24 JimboNYY24 is offline
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Default NL 25 Kings preflop

Villain is 41/4.3 over 50 hands. I don't think i clicked far enough right on my 3bet, but is there any hand he minraises here that isn't aces????

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SB: $28.20
Hero (BB): $25.35
UTG: $18.60
MP: $24.65
CO: $25.10
BTN: $10.55

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $0.75</font>, 4 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.75</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $4.75</font>, <font color="red">Hero pukes
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Old 07-23-2007, 12:11 PM
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I like folding and shoving equally here
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Old 07-23-2007, 12:13 PM
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Default Re: NL 25 Kings preflop

Hard to say, I think you could argue for a stop and go type dealie here. That may get value out of queens and jacks.
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Old 07-23-2007, 12:13 PM
Johnny2Gunnz Johnny2Gunnz is offline
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Default Re: NL 25 Kings preflop

I always push KK for less than 100BB preflop. If he's got AA so be it, but you would be amazed at the amount of times they flip over JJ, QQ, AQ, AK. Definately +EV.
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Old 07-23-2007, 12:14 PM
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Default Re: NL 25 Kings preflop

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Old 07-23-2007, 12:14 PM
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Default Re: NL 25 Kings preflop

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How bad is calling?

OP: is 4.3 his PFR % or agg factor?
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Old 07-23-2007, 12:16 PM
Perk76 Perk76 is offline
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Default Re: NL 25 Kings preflop

Jamming in this spot only gets looked up by AA.

With position, I think you can call, see the flop and determine whether or not your going broke. You also can get JJ/QQ to felt this way since they will feel you may have AK/AQ/1010JJ also. Villan may have AK also, and may fire on the flop with overs.
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Old 07-23-2007, 12:20 PM
JimboNYY24 JimboNYY24 is offline
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OP: is 4.3 his PFR % or agg factor?

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PFR%. His agression factor is 0.39 [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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Old 07-23-2007, 12:32 PM
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Default Re: NL 25 Kings preflop

Over 50 hands, the PFR is not very reliable. It's starting to be useful, but definitely shouldn't be putting you into a tough spot in this situation. At this point all you know for certain is that he isn't a maniac raising with any two cards all the time.

Even some players who are very passive pre-flop fall in love with AK. Maybe it's the TV influence. Dunno, but it happens. Same thing with QQ.

Just calling here is fine as long as you get it in on the flop. Shoving preflop is fine, too. With the odds you're being offered, folding is not ever an option here.

Jamming is not just looked up by AA. I've been called by TT, JJ, QQ, AK, AQ and all sorts of crap you wouldn't believe on a pre-flop shove. People get attached to their hands and can't let them go after making a re-raise. They get comitted when they shouldn't.

No matter what you do, if you see his cards, make a note of what he had (use the player notes tab). Knowing how people play monsters, and what hands they consider monsters, is massively profitable.
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Old 07-23-2007, 12:34 PM
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Default Re: NL 25 Kings preflop

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OP: is 4.3 his PFR % or agg factor?

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PFR%. His agression factor is 0.39 [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Yeah that sucks. I don't like a shove/5bet. Especially given he raised UTG and you 3betted OOP from BB. I think a fold would be solid, given his short stackedness, but I prefer a call.

Edit: I don't see TT-JJ anywhere in his range with this line. nor AK with the min4bet. But if he does have AK, i dont think a .39AF will jam AK UI after the flop, so you can play your hand safely.
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