Hillary: Replace "on your own" society with "shared responsibility"

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Presidential hopeful Hillary Rodham Clinton outlined a broad economic vision Tuesday, saying it's time to replace an "on your own" society with one based on shared responsibility and prosperity.

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This shows an appalling lack of knowledge on human psychology, how the brain works, economics, and the precursors toward a prosperous and happy society. "On your own" and "self-responsibility" systems are ones that bring about greatness in individuals and groups. Read the research by Richard Epstein on adolescents, Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi on personal achievement and happiness, or even the latest book on optimism Breaking Murphy's Law by Suzanne Segerstrom.

The Hillary view of the world is a sickenly ignorant one.

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I agree but what you must consider is the demographic make up of the voters who vote for Democratic party candidates consistently. She's pandering to a significant portion of her constituency, pure and simple.

[PLOlover]

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The best way to handle HC IMO is to offer "catostrophic" HC options, where young, healthy people can get coverage only for serious events. ie You get a cold...you pay for a doc visit out of pocket. You get in a car wreck (broken bones, surgery etc) you are covered for the "big" injuries or illnesses.

Once people get older( have kids) ...they may want to change to a more pricy, but more suitable program for the current situation. I know when I was in my 20s, I hardly ever went to the doc, but my employer and myself paid premiums that were overkill for my situation. It was a huge waste of money, and I could have used it better for other things.

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I think the main point is that society can simply not afford to spend >million dollars on end of life treatment (last 2 or 3 years of life I guess) for anything more than a very small fraction of the people who may want it.

having said that personally I think preventitive medicine and basic dentistry could easily be free for all in a country as rich as the US.

[ShakeZula06]

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I think most 2+2 ers know the real agenda of the left is to move as far toward socialism as possible, without actually saying it outloud.

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Strange as this may seem to someone as wise and all-knowing as yourself, some people might view a move toward socialism positively.

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why would anyone view a move toward socialism positively?

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b/c they are unaware of or unwilling to accept the reality of what has historically happened to socialist countries/societies.

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Which ones would those be? I know of some totalitarian regimes which hid behind a veil of socialism.

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And do you think America would end up as a socialism naion or a totalitarian one hid behind the veil of socialism?

[Dan.]

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And do you think America would end up as a socialism naion or a totalitarian one hid behind the veil of socialism?

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Well the United States is quite totalitarian now, so why not throw some socialist undertones to it? If I'm going to be oppressed and without basic liberties, at least I can do it with health care. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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"I prefer a 'we're all in it together' society," she said. "I believe our government can once again work for all Americans.

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I'm not sure who is scarier, this woman or who she claims to represent.
The government is supposed to be working for all Americans now, and they do a terrible job at it. Where is the +EV in giving them more of our money and more of our freedom?
I pay money to the government to leave me alone.

Any thoughts out there on living independently of this mess, if they have their way?

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For the poor, unwashed masses of lazy and stupid idiots out there, big government is very +EV.

It's the intelligent and hard working people who actually create wealth that it's -EV for.

[NeBlis]

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I think most 2+2 ers know the real agenda of the left is to move as far toward socialism as possible, without actually saying it outloud.

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Strange as this may seem to someone as wise and all-knowing as yourself, some people might view a move toward socialism positively.

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Yeah well ... those people are imbeciles and I have had enough of their idiocy.

I am approaching a level of fed up with them that these "people" may want to watchout for stray bullets

[NeBlis]

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having said that personally I think preventitive medicine and basic dentistry could easily be free for all in a country as rich as the US.

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plz define

"FREE" and "FOR ALL"

[PLOlover]

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having said that personally I think preventitive medicine and basic dentistry could easily be free for all in a country as rich as the US.



plz define

"FREE" and "FOR ALL"

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ok u got me there. what I meant though is that if the state spends 1 trillion annually on health care right now, it seems to me that could easily be reduced to 100 billion and that 100 billion would be enough for basic medical care and preventitive medicine and basic dentistry.

I think currently the paperwork aloneis 100bill.

[NeBlis]

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having said that personally I think preventitive medicine and basic dentistry could easily be free for all in a country as rich as the US.



plz define

"FREE" and "FOR ALL"

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ok u got me there. what I meant though is that if the state spends 1 trillion annually on health care right now, it seems to me that could easily be reduced to 100 billion and that 100 billion would be enough for basic medical care and preventitive medicine and basic dentistry.

I think currently the paperwork aloneis 100bill.

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I can see where you might think that.

But for your plan to work we need to gut the system anyway and start again with no bureaucracy and other government [censored].

Since it is a given the the system is broken beyond repair it must be dismantled. With the saving from having that yoke removed people could just go get insurance. problem solved.