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Old 10-11-2007, 02:10 PM
ddubois ddubois is offline
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Default Another common spot

Standard TAG villain. It's my understanding that at one point in time, it used to be that bet flop, check turn, bet river should be given very little respect, but lately, I feel like this is always a value bet.

Full Tilt Poker, $3/$6 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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SB: $1,103
BB: $1,954.70
UTG: $630
MP: $1,250
CO: $675
Hero (BTN): $689.10

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
2 folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $21</font>, Hero calls $21, 2 folds

Flop: ($51) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">CO bets $36</font>, Hero calls $36

Turn: ($123) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
CO checks, Hero checks

River: ($123) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">CO bets $96</font>
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Old 10-11-2007, 02:13 PM
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Default Re: Another common spot

first thing that strikes me as odd is just the general passive nature of the hand, and it doesnt look good.
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Old 10-11-2007, 02:17 PM
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Default Re: Another common spot

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first thing that strikes me as odd is just the general passive nature of the hand, and it doesnt look good.

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so then you're raise/folding flop or betting turn if checkd to?
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Old 10-11-2007, 02:19 PM
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Default Re: Another common spot

other than PF being a 3 bet sometimes i think the hand was played fine as long as you called the river.
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Old 10-11-2007, 02:19 PM
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Default Re: Another common spot

call river
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Old 10-11-2007, 02:20 PM
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Default Re: Another common spot

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first thing that strikes me as odd is just the general passive nature of the hand, and it doesnt look good.

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no, this was played fine. Depending on how often he 2 barrels etc riv could be either a fold or call (people who 2 barrel a lot are almost always betting a Q on the turn as well). Though people nowadays generally rarely take this line as a bluff, so if you don't have good reads then fold.
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Old 10-11-2007, 02:20 PM
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other than PF being a 3 bet sometimes i think the hand was played fine as long as you called the river.

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yeah, i mean, the postflop line is okay assuming preflop, i just dont like preflop and i think river is a fold.

style thing.
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Old 10-11-2007, 02:21 PM
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Default Re: Another common spot

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first thing that strikes me as odd is just the general passive nature of the hand, and it doesnt look good.

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so then you're raise/folding flop or betting turn if checkd to?

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hes prob thinking u can 3b preflop. betting turn can def be a good option given how drawy the board is i think there are a ton of draws that may c/c this turn as well as worse Ts and once you take the lead on the turn he'll prob check again on the river.

so you lose the same to better hands that c/c turn and check river (that would have bet river if u check turn) and u gain money from hands like KT/JT that c/c turn (and would not bet river) as well as draws (which will c/c turn and may or may not bluff river if turn gets checked thru).
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Old 10-11-2007, 02:22 PM
Jay Riall Jay Riall is offline
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I'd bet/fold turn here and prob fold river as played. I think calling preflop &gt; 3betting also, but this is a style thing.
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Old 10-11-2007, 02:24 PM
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Default Re: Another common spot

call river.

and yea, bet the turn unless he's very aggro, like the kind that c/r semibluffs here with any decent draw.
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