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Old 10-30-2007, 04:28 PM
Somekid Somekid is offline
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Default $6 NLTRN: ATs on the button vs. flop C/R

Okay, so I know I probably should've checked behind on the flop (opponent's play is very very suspicious, no idea what I was thinking). But what is my approach after the c/r and on the turn? Also, no reads yet (this was about the 4th hand), but according to sharkscope my opponent had played about 60-70 games with something like a -65% ROI. So I figured he or she was not very good.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (2 handed)

Hero (t1450)
BB (t1550)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t60</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t100</font>, Hero calls t40.

Flop: (t200) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t160</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t320</font>, Hero calls t160.

So I probably should've checked the flop, but after I get check-raised, what's best?

Turn: (t840) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets t400</font>, Hero calls t400.

I figured if I was ahead, I would let my opponent keep betting. Is raising here better?

River: (t1640) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets t730 (All-In)</font>, Hero??

Ugh...can I fold this?
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Old 10-30-2007, 04:33 PM
HokieGreg HokieGreg is offline
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Default Re: $6 NLTRN: ATs on the button vs. flop C/R

Unless villain is 3-betting garbage like A4/A2/22/44 the only hands you really should be worried about are AK-AJ. Most people will slow down on the turn with AJ+ because of the possible straight, so I think this will be a bluff pretty often.

After you call the turn, you really cant fold the river. So you really should be asking what to do on the turn here.

Shoving the flop is almost definitely +ev in a 6 too.
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Old 10-30-2007, 04:39 PM
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Default Re: $6 NLTRN: ATs on the button vs. flop C/R

Well on the turn I decided to call down, which I thought was better than raising. I assume folding the turn is horrible...right?
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Old 10-30-2007, 04:42 PM
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Default Re: $6 NLTRN: ATs on the button vs. flop C/R

I probably check the flop too and call down on the turn and river . At these levels , you can't give players much credit when they make a smallish pre-flop raise and mini-raise otf . They're just trying to buy the pot at a minimal cost . Besides , this guy is a terrible player so a call looks good .
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Old 10-30-2007, 04:56 PM
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Default Re: $6 NLTRN: ATs on the button vs. flop C/R

After the flop c/r, I would be willing to shove it in. A terrible player is bound to do this with a broad range of hands and call with them.

Is this an older hand? I thought SS wasn't allowed to be used on Stars.
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Old 10-30-2007, 05:02 PM
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Default Re: $6 NLTRN: ATs on the button vs. flop C/R

whoopsidoodle. really? how do they even know you're using it?
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Old 10-30-2007, 05:10 PM
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Default Re: $6 NLTRN: ATs on the button vs. flop C/R

Wow, I just pulled myself up. On the Stars website, it says [pending]. Were you always allowed to pull this info up? I think I tried using it and it wouldn't let me. Maybe it is okay again?
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Old 10-30-2007, 05:53 PM
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Default Re: $6 NLTRN: ATs on the button vs. flop C/R

Somekid,

I'm not saying calling down on the turn is bad, but you shouldn't be faced with a decision on the river. The real decision is on the turn the way you played this hand.

Once you call turn you arent folding no matter what the river is.
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Old 10-30-2007, 06:23 PM
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Default Re: $6 NLTRN: ATs on the button vs. flop C/R

I agree completely. My thinking when I called the turn was that I was going to call any river bet (and I did). I've thought about this hand some since posting it (and reading the responses), and I feel like calling the turn was the right decision.

Thanks again for everyone's help!
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Old 10-30-2007, 11:49 PM
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Default Re: $6 NLTRN: ATs on the button vs. flop C/R

Part of me wants to fold the turn.
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