My Dad's [censored] Union

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Having been a member of a union, it seems to me the union mentality is counterproductive. There is little incentive to excel - everyone gets paid the same regardless of how good they are at their job. I've personally seen people who do next to nothing while I was busting my ass, and yet I knew we both made the same and always would (at least until I got a promotion, where I'd find new slackers making the same money as me). It's very bad for employee morale and discourages initiative IMO. Personally I never saw what I was getting for my quite hefty union dues.

I actually ended up quitting when the union voted down a 15% pay raise in exchange for an additional 2.5 hours of work per week. They ended up accepting a 5% raise with no additional hours.

But on the plus side, they did give out turkeys to all members every Thanksgiving.

[4 High]

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Having been a member of a union, it seems to me the union mentality is counterproductive. There is little incentive to excel - everyone gets paid the same regardless of how good they are at their job. I've personally seen people who do next to nothing while I was busting my ass, and yet I knew we both made the same and always would (at least until I got a promotion, where I'd find new slackers making the same money as me). It's very bad for employee morale and discourages initiative IMO. Personally I never saw what I was getting for my quite hefty union dues.

I actually ended up quitting when the union voted down a 15% pay raise in exchange for an additional 2.5 hours of work per week. They ended up accepting a 5% raise with no additional hours.

But on the plus side, they did give out turkeys to all members every Thanksgiving.

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In every job i worked (none of which have been union) there have been people making the same as me being lazy as crap while i worked til i dropped. Maybe its more excessive in Unions, i dont know but it certainly happens in all jobs not just Unions.

[TomCollins]

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Having been a member of a union, it seems to me the union mentality is counterproductive. There is little incentive to excel - everyone gets paid the same regardless of how good they are at their job. I've personally seen people who do next to nothing while I was busting my ass, and yet I knew we both made the same and always would (at least until I got a promotion, where I'd find new slackers making the same money as me). It's very bad for employee morale and discourages initiative IMO. Personally I never saw what I was getting for my quite hefty union dues.

I actually ended up quitting when the union voted down a 15% pay raise in exchange for an additional 2.5 hours of work per week. They ended up accepting a 5% raise with no additional hours.

But on the plus side, they did give out turkeys to all members every Thanksgiving.

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In every job i worked (none of which have been union) there have been people making the same as me being lazy as crap while i worked til i dropped. Maybe its more excessive in Unions, i dont know but it certainly happens in all jobs not just Unions.

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You probably make more money than the lazy bums in your other job. If not, you probably could if you asked for it.

[4 High]

So you are saying the 50 cents less per hour the other guy was making was the reason he was lazy? Or that the 2 Grand less per year was the reason the other manager ran a bad store?

[TomCollins]

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So you are saying the 50 cents less per hour the other guy was making was the reason he was lazy? Or that the 2 Grand less per year was the reason the other manager ran a bad store?

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People who are lazy generally are going to be lazy no matter what (or at least do the minimum possible). However, if he is lazy, you can not give him as big a raise every year as someone who works their ass off who does more work for you. If you aren't getting rewarded for it, chances are someone else will, and you can quit. A lot of people will work harder if they know there is a reward for it. Some people won't. It can then be up to the employer if he wants to get rid of the lazy people or not.

[NeBlis]

One of my fondest memories is once when I was photographing trade show booths. The show was over and there were crews disassembling the booths all around me. I overheard a booth owner and the showroom carpenter talking about why the carpenter was going to have to stop work while he called in an electrician.

The guy would not take down a little airplane on a wire powered by a 9volt battery. after fighting with the booth owner about union regs for a bit the guy had to walk away to get better cell reception. While he was gone I took my ladder over there took the plane down, took out the battery and layed them on top of his tools.

When he came back he was super pissed. Yelling about "who took this plane down blah blah". I walked over and said "I did" He asks who the hell I think I am. I answer "Someone who doesn't work for your piece of [censored] union." and walked away while he lost his mind.

[pokerbobo]

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One of my fondest memories is once when I was photographing trade show booths. The show was over and there were crews disassembling the booths all around me. I overheard a booth owner and the showroom carpenter talking about why the carpenter was going to have to stop work while he called in an electrician.

The guy would not take down a little airplane on a wire powered by a 9volt battery. after fighting with the booth owner about union regs for a bit the guy had to walk away to get better cell reception. While he was gone I took my ladder over there took the plane down, took out the battery and layed them on top of his tools.

When he came back he was super pissed. Yelling about "who took this plane down blah blah". I walked over and said "I did" He asks who the hell I think I am. I answer "Someone who doesn't work for your piece of [censored] union." and walked away while he lost his mind.

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Yeah, tradeshows are always full of union nuttiness. $50.00 to $100.00 to plug in the lights for your display, forget about using the loading docks.... the Teamsters won't let you near those. They make it a huge pain in the ass to do things you can do by yourself in hopes you have them do it for you and get butt raped by the charges they demand.

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What jobs have you had?