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Old 10-26-2007, 08:40 AM
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C/F I dont think villain is folding.

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You'd be suprised to see how many actually folds mid pockets here when they are faced with a decision for their stacks.

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I'm always surprised by the exact opposite when I shove AK on the turn here (which is always)
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Old 10-26-2007, 08:54 AM
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C/F I dont think villain is folding.

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You'd be suprised to see how many actually folds mid pockets here when they are faced with a decision for their stacks.

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I'm always surprised by the exact opposite when I shove AK on the turn here (which is always)

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Really? I think it depends on the situation. On the bubble I'd guess a 21/12 type of opponent folds quite often, and depending on how highly he/she cares about moving up a spot in the payladder, we may have bubble spots for every place. I'd take a glance on official pokerrankings and try to decide whether he/she is gunning for 1st or just want to move up a spot.
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Old 10-26-2007, 09:21 AM
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I'm always surprised by the exact opposite when I shove AK on the turn here (which is always)

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Yeah, I two barrell here almost every time.
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Old 10-26-2007, 09:51 AM
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borderline spot but I think our being in the SB and OOP maks this a preflop push...not losing that much value cause if we get called pre the hand is hard to play with these stacks
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Old 10-26-2007, 10:00 AM
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Why are we shoving 20BB's PF? Making it 7.5 instead of 9 fixes the stack size problem just as easily.
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Old 10-26-2007, 10:09 AM
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I bet about 10kish on the flop. C/f the turn. Still have 40k left and are in fine shape. I don't think he is folding and unless he is a retard we shouldn't be ahead.

If the villian had been floating in position, I might c/r.
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Old 10-26-2007, 10:16 AM
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Please explain why raising to 9K is bad.
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Old 10-26-2007, 10:18 AM
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Please explain why raising to 9K is bad.

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Apparently because of the low stack size.
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Old 10-26-2007, 10:21 AM
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Why is this such a tough fold on the turn?

Raise to 8-9K pre. Half-2/3 flop. check turn and see what happens, fold to any decent sized bet. Hero still has a stack to play with if he folds here.

Shoving turn might work but i think its spew against a lot of villains range.
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Old 10-26-2007, 01:25 PM
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To those saying why 9k instead of 7.5k pf - I feel like raising to 7.5k gets flat called by a very wide range of hands here. I'm raising to 9k bc I want him to fold or RR, instead of having to play this hand OOP.

I dbed him and he has like $200 net over 36 games or something, so moving up could be a concern. After time banking on the turn to the last second while talking to my buddy on AIM about whether to shove or check (two to a hand?! OMG!), I checked with a plan to c/f. My gut told me he wasn't folding one pair.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t1500/t3000
(Ante: t400)
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t145620
CO: t65534
Button: t39039
Hero: t60059
BB: t55748

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to t9000</font>, BB calls t6000 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t12500)</font>.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t20000, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets t14000</font>, BB calls t14000 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t34000)</font>.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t48000, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">BB bets t12000</font>, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: t12000 returned to BB.

Results:
Final pot: t48000

His underbet is totally ghey but I can't see any other way to play this other than folding.
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