AQ with a ton of outs, how do I get the most value?

HotPockets · #1 10-07-2007, 10:11 PM

Again, still learning Limit so any thoughts on where I misplayed the hand would be greatly appreciated.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, CO calls, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, CO raises, BB calls, Hero 3-bets, CO calls, BB calls.

Turn: (7.70 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, CO raises, BB calls, Hero 3-bets, CO calls, BB calls.

River: (16.70 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, CO calls, BB calls.

Final Pot: 22.70 BB

Xylocain · #2 10-07-2007, 10:12 PM

you can click the raise button faster maybe?

HotPockets · #3 10-07-2007, 10:13 PM

like i said, i'm converting from NL so I don't know how aggressive I'm supposed to be with a draw like this.

bozlax · #4 10-07-2007, 10:13 PM

Convince the players that folded pf to ask for a do-over on the river?

Edit: serious answer, more aggro on the flop, less on the turn.

HotPockets · #5 10-07-2007, 10:22 PM

Edit: serious answer, more aggro on the flop, less on the turn.

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I don't understand this, how can I be more aggro on flop? On the turn I pick up more outs, why would i turn it down? Again, not being snippy just need this stuff explained

Landonfan · #6 10-07-2007, 10:47 PM

On the flop, you have more equity, because you still have two cards to come. This is where you want to push your edge. On the turn, you just have one card left, so your equity goes down. This is where you need to slow down and get to the river cheaply.

I probably explained this bad, but that's the jist of it.

bozlax · #7 10-07-2007, 11:08 PM

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Edit: serious answer, more aggro on the flop, less on the turn.

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I don't understand this, how can I be more aggro on flop? On the turn I pick up more outs, why would i turn it down? Again, not being snippy just need this stuff explained

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I was answering your, "I don't know how aggressive to be," comment. You spewed on the turn.

KyndGroove · #8 10-07-2007, 11:12 PM

Flop was good.

Leading out on the turn is okay, but just call the raise.

Landonfan · #9 10-07-2007, 11:17 PM

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Flop was good.

Leading out on the turn is okay, but just call the raise.

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What's the point of betting the turn?

KyndGroove · #10 10-07-2007, 11:47 PM

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Flop was good.

Leading out on the turn is okay, but just call the raise.

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What's the point of betting the turn?

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Since CO took his foot off the gas on the flop, I was hoping we'd still be able to bet the draws for value when he and BB call.

On second thought, you're right that we don't have 1/3 of the equity in the pot. I'm counting 1.5 discounted outs for the straight (assuming it's good 50% of the time), 1 discounted out for the overcards (assuming you're good 20% when they hit), and 9 outs for the flush for 11.5 total. Correct my math if I'm wrong but I think we need to have 15 outs and never get raised to bet the draw for value.