Live 100NL - Turned the nuts, fold the river?

[Russ M.]

Hero has ~$100. Villain is an idiot unthinking player. There are several maniacs at the table and extreme calling stations.

Couple of limpers, Hero limps MP w/JTo. Limped around. 6-handed flop.

Flop: K-Q-4r

Checked to Hero, this is a check right? Checked around.

Turn: Ac, two clubs on board

Loose-passive donks out $10. One caller. Hero raises to $30. Too small here? Folds to original bettor who calls. Other caller calls and then shows his hand to his neighbor who remarks "Oh, you gotta call that, you've got plenty of outs."

River: Rag of clubs

First player checks, middle player bets $40. I don't think the turn talk was an act. Can I fold this?

[Belok]

I bet about 3/4ths pot on flop. Sometimes you take it down, and when you dont, you build a good pot for when you hit your 8 outs. You also have position, so it gives you the initiative to check behind if you miss the turn.

Now that you're at the turn, I raise to probably 40.

Are you at a casino? I would definitely have said something about the guy consulting his neighbor for advice. If you wanted to angle shoot, you could have waited until a blank turn and not said a word, or spoke up after the club hit. Either way, not very cool.

River sounds like an easy fold, given the table chatter.

[warrantofice]

Your at a casino i am assuming with a table full of donkeys. Nice check on the flop, no need to build to much of a pot with you draw right there, and not much money to steal. So the turn you hit the nuts and even better someone decides to do some betting for you, oh and look someone else has called. Well, its come to you now. I think you could give the first bettor a farely wide range of hands, perhaps an ace in this situation, and the caller, well he could have a very large and or a draw, maybe also an ace. With the pot at around 30 dollars, I would probably bet $50 dollars or so into it maybe even 60 depending on how crazy a live game your at. At this point your basically commited to the pot and will have to call the river no matter what it is. The key though will be that you have made the villian make an error by calling on the turn to see 1 more card. I would not recommend this play on-line but i think people playing live don't really have an idea of pot odds.