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Old 04-29-2007, 08:51 PM
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The greatest leader of all time was, without question, the great Dr. Murray N. Rothbard (pbuh). Rothbard was a seventeenth degree blackbelt in Venusian Kung Fu. He has seven PhD's from the seven most pretentious universities in the world. Murray Rothbard discovered the cure for scabies and climbed Mount Everest...at the same time. He righted the wrongs and freed the slaves. He had nipples the size of dinner plates. Murray Rothbard died for our sins, and asked that we carry on the good words of His teachings.

Now go forth and spread the Good News.

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Old 04-29-2007, 08:57 PM
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The greatest leader of all time was, without question, the great Dr. Murray N. Rothbard (pbuh). Rothbard was a seventeenth degree blackbelt in Venusian Kung Fu. He has seven PhD's from the seven most pretentious universities in the world. Murray Rothbard discovered the cure for scabies and climbed Mount Everest...at the same time. He righted the wrongs and freed the slaves. He had nipples the size of dinner plates. Murray Rothbard died for our sins, and asked that we carry on the good words of His teachings.

Now go forth and spread the Good News.



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So true, without him the politics forum would be a ghost town. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 04-29-2007, 08:57 PM
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Also those are some beautiful sideburns.
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Old 04-29-2007, 10:39 PM
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Somewhat related -- who have been our greatest followers? What are the most impressive aspects of followship that one can demonstrate?
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Old 04-29-2007, 10:49 PM
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Somewhat related -- who have been our greatest followers? What are the most impressive aspects of followship that one can demonstrate?

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Eisenhower was obviously a skilled leader, but as Commander of the European theater, he displayed incredible followership for FDR, the other Allied leaders, and Gen Marshall as Chief of Staff. Eisenhower took their objectives and constraints and implemented them, balancing very difficult pressures, and accepted responsibility for tough decisions, and elevated those decisions which needed to be elevated (and didn't elevate those tough ones he could make work).
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Old 04-29-2007, 10:49 PM
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Somewhat related -- who have been our greatest followers? What are the most impressive aspects of followship that one can demonstrate?

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that ones easy
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Old 04-29-2007, 10:59 PM
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The greatest leader of all time was, without question, the great Dr. Murray N. Rothbard (pbuh). Rothbard was a seventeenth degree blackbelt in Venusian Kung Fu. He has seven PhD's from the seven most pretentious universities in the world. Murray Rothbard discovered the cure for scabies and climbed Mount Everest...at the same time. He righted the wrongs and freed the slaves. He had nipples the size of dinner plates. Murray Rothbard died for our sins, and asked that we carry on the good words of His teachings.

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Old 04-29-2007, 11:01 PM
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Somewhat related -- who have been our greatest followers? What are the most impressive aspects of followship that one can demonstrate?

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that ones easy

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Old 04-30-2007, 09:50 AM
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"Great leader" is terribly vague and subjective. You could just as easily say that Hitler was terrible at making good decisions, but since he did a great job of making people follow him, he was a great leader.

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it depends what makes 'great' leader so great.
for me great leaders are the those who accomplish the most important issues with cooperation and diplomacy, without any use of force. The one who respects his people, the one who treat them equal and who would never use lies against them for any reason. I believe the same would apply to great husband, great father, great friend, great human being, etc.

the one who uses tiranny, force, personal gain towards the others would not qualify as a great leader IMO. neither i could say a a great leader is one who wants to establish world domination by using force like hitler or other conquerers in history did.
still history proves big players are often using identical methods of suppression (either against their own people or towards other communities/countries) as those bad guys once did and want to play god. When this happens you could hardly speak about democracy and equal right for all, the other form of government would be more appropriate. I wouldn't qualify them as 'great' leaders. It's funny how history proves people and societies learned nothing from the history.

"Every ambitious would-be empire, clarions it abroad that she is conquering the world to bring it peace, security and freedom, and is sacrificing her sons only for the most noble and humanitarian purposes. That is a lie, and it is an ancient lie, yet generations still rise and believe it." - Henry David Thoreau

"fascism - A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism."
- The American Heritage Dictionary, 1983

"The first stage of fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power." - Mussolini

"Terrorism is the best political weapon for nothing drives people harder than a fear of sudden death."- Adolf Hitler

"Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Hermann Goering, Hitler's #2 man

"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar." - Julius Caesar

"In the size of the lie there is always contained a certain factor of credibility, since the great masses of the people.... will more easily fall victim to a great lie than to a small one." - Hitler, Mein Kampf

"All propaganda must be so popular and on such an intellectual level, that even the most stupid of those toward whom it is directed will understand it... Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way around, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise."
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

"If you tell a big enough Lie, and keep on repeating it, in the end people will come to believe it." - Josef Goebbels, Hitler's propaganda chief

"It is a quite special secret pleasure how the people around us fail to realize what is really happening to them." - Adolf Hitler

"I know two types of law because I know two types of men, those who are with us and those who are against us." - Hermann Goering, 1936
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