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02-04-2007, 04:54 PM
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Re: The Well: Tom Bayes
Why don't you play 5CD ring games?
Do you think that someone could play draw for a living? Do you think that draw will become popular again? Do you think badugi will become popular? You vs. Redskelt, who wins and how badly? Can you play razz for a living? Why don't you play more stud? Can you teach me to play stud for a living? Can you just give me some money, dude? 
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#13
02-04-2007, 05:15 PM
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Re: The Well: Tom Bayes
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Why don't you play 5CD ring games? [/ QUOTE ] I like tournament poker better. I like the "play until you win or your chips are gone" format of tournaments. Winning a poker tournament is more fun than anything I can do in a cash game. I'm better at tourneys than ring games. That being said, cash games are probably a truer test of poker skill and a better place to make consistent money. [ QUOTE ] Do you think that someone could play draw for a living? [/ QUOTE ] I don't think there are enough draw games at a high enough level to make a decent living off of them exclusively. [ QUOTE ] Do you think that draw will become popular again? [/ QUOTE ] No [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] It will remain a niche game. Holdem is a much better game for casual players and fish, which in turn makes holdem a much better game for the sharks, which leaves draw to poker weirdos like me. [ QUOTE ] Do you think badugi will become popular? [/ QUOTE ] No [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] It will remain a niche game. [ QUOTE ] You vs. Redskelt, who wins and how badly? [/ QUOTE ] I don't know who Redskelt is. [ QUOTE ] Can you play razz for a living? [/ QUOTE ] The answer is probably similar to draw in that there won't be enough juicy games at a high enough level to be able to play razz (exclusively) on a professional basis. If I had made the decision to try to play poker professionally or semi-professionally, I would have to have made a lot of different decisions. Instead of indulging in a wide variety of games, which I found interesting and entertaining and mildly profitable, I would have concentrated on a narrow fish-filled niche. In my case, I'd probably have concentrated on NLHE SNGs, but that would have been a boring grind, so I didn't do it. [ QUOTE ] Why don't you play more stud? [/ QUOTE ] I like draw more and flop games are easier to multi-table. I like to usually play 2-4 MTTs at once and it's hard to play stud well when you are constantly looking away to look at another table. [ QUOTE ] Can you teach me to play stud for a living? [/ QUOTE ] LOL. [ QUOTE ] Can you just give me some money, dude? [/ QUOTE ] Check your Neteller account for my p2p transfer to you.
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#14
02-04-2007, 05:58 PM
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Re: The Well: Tom Bayes
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[ QUOTE ] You vs. Redskelt, who wins and how badly? [/ QUOTE ] I don't know who Redskelt is. [/ QUOTE ] This guy. You exist in the comments.
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#15
02-04-2007, 06:07 PM
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Re: The Well: Tom Bayes
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] You vs. Redskelt, who wins and how badly? [/ QUOTE ] I don't know who Redskelt is. [/ QUOTE ] This guy. You exist in the comments. [/ QUOTE ] Oh yeah. Forgot about him. I have no idea who would win a game of HU draw. I hope he's managing his roll better.
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#17
02-04-2007, 06:35 PM
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Re: The Well: Tom Bayes
Tom,
I have noticed you doing well in some of the triple draw MTTs on stars. (And its hard not to do well in those [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]) But what strategy adjustments do you think are necessary for duece tournys? Also, what do you think Negreanu got wrong in SS2 (if anything), and what would you add if you were updating his chapter?
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#19
02-04-2007, 07:26 PM
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Re: The Well: Tom Bayes
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Say morev about stud [/ QUOTE ] Well, stud is not my primary game. My records show that I'm better at stud high than either razz or stud/8. My split-pot game performances were down in 2006 from previous years; either others are getting less clueless at hi-low and/or I need to reread Zee. I've done pretty well in stud high tournaments basically playing very TAG-pounding with premium pairs and avoiding most drawing hands. I probably need to get better at knowing when to dump my big one pair hands and identifying the right draws. I actually find the later part of stud tourneys easier to play because most of the players left will be kind of weak-tight and let you steal antes and are easier to put on a hand. I'd play more stud live if it was offered at my nearest casino. Unfortunately, I only get to play live on the rare times (a few times a year) I'm in Evansville or Tunica. It's usually grumpy old person 1-5 spread limit and no one really wants to play-they just want to bet $1, check 3 times, and tell dumb stories. I had a great time once playing 1-5 stud in the middle of the night at the Horseshoe in Tunica with a bunch of drunk young guys. Everyone was betting $5 and were actually making plays and it was fun. I was the old guy at the table and played table nit by betting $4 instead of $5 [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I think sökö and Telesina are unknown gems that people would enjoy. PL betting makes sense in these games and it gives fish the illusion that it's a good idea to chase while giving good players the tools to really punish them.
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#20
02-04-2007, 07:52 PM
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Re: The Well: Tom Bayes
[ QUOTE ]
Tom, I have noticed you doing well in some of the triple draw MTTs on stars. (And its hard not to do well in those [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]) But what strategy adjustments do you think are necessary for duece tournys? Also, what do you think Negreanu got wrong in SS2 (if anything), and what would you add if you were updating his chapter? [/ QUOTE ] Most "adjustments" are geared towards how the typical 2-7 tourney player plays as opposed to the cash game regulars. My experience has shown me that most of the semi-decent tourney players (not the real donks) play very straight-forward and are always trying to make the nuts and miss lots of value bets and rarely snow and/or bluff. I have less success picking off rough value bets and bluffs in tourneys than cash games. If you pat with a rough 8 or a nine and someone bets into you, you are almost always beaten. Some of the tourney players won't bluff even when it is their only hope. I saw a hand (I was not involved) where 2 players drew 1 on the final draw and checked it down. The OOP player showed down a six-high straight flush (!) and lost to the other guy who paired his seven. I think you really have to bet your straight flush to give yourself a hope to steal the pot. Along those lines, too many people draw 1 to straights and keep those sixes in their hand and kill themselves [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I haven't read Negreanu's chapter in several months. My primary source of 2-7 material is here. Mark Gritter knows more about the mathematics of triple draw lowball than probably anyone else on the planet. 2461Badugi has played a ton, against everyone from complete idiots who don't know the rules to experts HU, and has a wealth of experience to share. Posters like DeathDonkey and *TT* give us different perspectives on the LAG and TAG way to play. *TT* really hates sixes and I believe a TD tourney player should really hate them as well. Oh, and finally, I have to admit that I believe 2-7 TDL is actually a variant of poker that is not terribly well suited to tourney play. Notice that the size of these tourneys has really fallen off. I think Stars would find a larger audience for NL Kansas City lowball. That's an awesome tourney game. I played a bit on GamesGrid but that site had no player base.
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