Play this differently ?

[rafiki]

So some follow up questions:

When you're raising the turn, are you capping it ? If you're capping it and villain donks a safe river, are you only calling ?

If you're not capping the turn, are you also just calling the river ?

[rafiki]

and nuturally this is when the board doesn't pair and the 4th flush doesn't come

[Scorcho]

Please tell me your secret on getting a river to blank. A 4-flush or board pair comes for me about 97.86% of the time.

[rafiki]

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Please tell me your secret on getting a river to blank. A 4-flush or board pair comes for me about 97.86% of the time.

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dodging something like 17 outs, so we're supposed to be ok 65% of the time. not to mention we don't have to dodge then all. If the spade is our problem, then the paired board isn't, ldo.

[thepizzlefosho]

so you're saying he can't have the QQ or the TT with the Q or T of spades? because I'm pretty sure he can.

also I know what you are trying to say here, but if you are so sure of your play then you shouldn't have posted it up here. I did this once, and I tried to defend my play like crazy, and realized that I should just take advice from some really good veteran posters here.

if yourface and jba both say you should raise the turn, then you should probably raise the turn.

I would raise the turn, and if 3-bet I'm planning on capping a lot since a big portion of his 3-betting range is made hands that think you are semi-bluffing with a big spade.

if he donks into me on the river after I cap I'm just calling. Obviously bet if checked to on the river.

[rafiki]

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so you're saying he can't have the QQ or the TT with the Q or T of spades? because I'm pretty sure he can.

also I know what you are trying to say here, but if you are so sure of your play then you shouldn't have posted it up here. I did this once, and I tried to defend my play like crazy, and realized that I should just take advice from some really good veteran posters here.

if yourface and jba both say you should raise the turn, then you should probably raise the turn.

I would raise the turn, and if 3-bet I'm planning on capping a lot since a big portion of his 3-betting range is made hands that think you are semi-bluffing with a big spade.

if he donks into me on the river after I cap I'm just calling. Obviously bet if checked to on the river.

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yup good call, at work multitasking. So the 65% thing still applies.

And I'm sure that now 4 times I said I agree on raising the turn.