2007-08 North Carolina Tar Heels Basketball (San Antonio Here We Come) - Page 10

capone0 · #91 11-29-2007, 04:03 PM

You guys act like UCLA/Memphis don't have some major weaknesses.

Memphis's are pretty simple. They are not good inside scoring team. Their best post player, Dorsey, is mainly good for D only. He has been bad to pretty bad in a lot of big games against other big players namely Oden last year when he was terrible. They do have some really good wing players, but the 4 is also a weakness rather than a strength. Taggert, Dosier are both good players but they are both nothing special offensively. Defensively and from outside I think Memphis is a very good team. We also haven't seen if they can win big games on the road or neutral courts.

UCLA is a good team. They were exposed the last 2 years by Florida and exposed pretty handily in both NC games. Love has been really solid so far. And getting Collison back doesn't hurt at all. Defensively they are probally better. I haven't seen enough of their games this year and nobodies seen them with Collison much yet to know what they are capable of.

UNC I like their inside game and I think defensively they are pretty solid. My problem is other than Ellington who has been stellar this year, we don't have other good outside shooters. My other worry is what has happened to Tyler in the BYU/tOSU games in which he gets flustered and starts playing poorly or getting outmatched by other big men. I also worry about their 3 point D, they need to stay focused for 40 minutes. To win, UNC needs the big 3 to be healthy and for Thompson to step up. They also need solid contributions from the rest of the team including Green, Ginyard, etc.

sethypooh21 · #92 11-29-2007, 04:57 PM

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sethy and aces both said something about how teams like Memphis and UCLA would exploit them. No [censored] they are two of the best teams in the country they exploit everyone. UNC isn't a great technical defensive team, but they are athletic and have good results. I wouldn't care if there defensive results were a byproduct of them hypnotizing the other team it is still good defense, even if there success is largely due to athleticism.

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I'm saying that when you just blow a portion of your schedule of the floor with vastly superior talent, this is going to skew your points per possession stat. For a number of reasons (largely related to the greater homogeneity of style and better and more balanced sample size), I think per pos stats are much more useful in analyzing NBA teams than NCAA.

My point in comparing UCLA's defense is that, as anesthetically unpleasing as it is, it does a pretty good job even in athletic mismatch situations (that it accomplishes largely through continuous uncalled fouling is an issue for a different day) - even against Florida with 3 lotto picks, UCLA's defense wasn't the issue so much as the offense, especially Afflalo, repeatedly crapping the bed.

ligastar · #93 11-30-2007, 06:24 PM

I'm glad to see Roy thinking long term here. No need to bring Ty back until he can play at 100% without re-injuring the ankle being an issue.

AP article here.

tarheeljks · #94 11-30-2007, 06:56 PM

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sethy and aces both said something about how teams like Memphis and UCLA would exploit them. No [censored] they are two of the best teams in the country they exploit everyone. UNC isn't a great technical defensive team, but they are athletic and have good results. I wouldn't care if there defensive results were a byproduct of them hypnotizing the other team it is still good defense, even if there success is largely due to athleticism.

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this is my point. no one is arguing that they are the most fundamentally sound defensive team. that doesn't mean they can't defend well. there are plenty of excellent of offensive players who are not fundamentally sound but get by on athletic ability and raw talent; i don't see why defense should be any different.

tarheeljks · #95 11-30-2007, 06:59 PM

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My point in comparing UCLA's defense is that, as anesthetically unpleasing as it is, it does a pretty good job even in athletic mismatch situations (that it accomplishes largely through continuous uncalled fouling is an issue for a different day) - even against Florida with 3 lotto picks, UCLA's defense wasn't the issue so much as the offense, especially Afflalo, repeatedly crapping the bed.

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naming one team w/better defense does not make unc a weak defensive team.

tarheeljks · #96 12-01-2007, 03:19 PM

sick, lawson is starting

ligastar · #97 12-01-2007, 08:02 PM

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sick, lawson is starting

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Nice to see the team with the full roster. Great contributions from Frasor and Green off the bench. Stepheson keeps on impressing. GG Rupp Arena.

LurchySoprano · #98 12-01-2007, 09:02 PM

We had about an 8 minute stretch where we showed how good we can be for the first time this season against a halfway decent team.

I realize Hansbrough gives out a lot of punishment, but the last two games, the refs have been swallowing the whistles as he gets hacked everytime he's in the paint. The problem with Tyler right now is that he simply can't pass out of double teams and hasn't improved on this much, if at all, in two+ seasons. The fact that he has 3 assists in 200+ minutes of playing time is a troubling stat.

I'm concerned about what Deon has shown so far this year when I thought he was poised for a monster year. Fat Deon > Skinny Deon at this point.

Finally, the contributions from our perimeter players have been a very good sign so far. Frasor his three nice threes today and Danny Green is becoming a legitimate possibility for an All Conference spot. If the role players outside of the Big 3 (Tyler, Ty, Wayne) continue to play well, it makes our already stellar offense that much better.

sethypooh21 · #99 12-02-2007, 12:51 AM

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My point in comparing UCLA's defense is that, as anesthetically unpleasing as it is, it does a pretty good job even in athletic mismatch situations (that it accomplishes largely through continuous uncalled fouling is an issue for a different day) - even against Florida with 3 lotto picks, UCLA's defense wasn't the issue so much as the offense, especially Afflalo, repeatedly crapping the bed.

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naming one team w/better defense does not make unc a weak defensive team.

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I'm not claiming there are weak, I'm claiming that theyaren't elite, and that their weakness (relatively) is and will be their defense. This doesn't seem controversial.