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Old 11-30-2007, 03:55 PM
ChexWithRaisins ChexWithRaisins is offline
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Default Fold my boat on two pair board?

Playing 6-handed 0.5/1.0 NL. Villain is 27/12 with AF of 1.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Button ($260.80)
SB <font color="#A500AF">(Villain)</font> ($99)
Hero ($100)
UTG ($141.95)
MP ($90.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB <font color="#A500AF">(Villain)</font> completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($3) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Villain bets $2</font>, Hero calls $2, MP folds.

Turn: ($7) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Villain checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, Villain calls $3.

River: ($13) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Villain bets $93 (All-In)</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $106

I don't see him making this bet with just a 7. Even if he does, I'm not giving up too much considering we'd be maxing the rake just to split a $12 pot. It does not make sense for an outright bluff. I think I just have to put him on 76 here and fold, right?
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Old 11-30-2007, 04:00 PM
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Default Re: Fold my boat on two pair board?

Call, please.
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Old 11-30-2007, 04:02 PM
AZDezertRat AZDezertRat is offline
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Default Re: Fold my boat on two pair board?

I dont think you have to put him on 76.. He could have any 7 or he could have a straight and jsut doesnt believe you.. doubt that but maybe... i think i call here
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Old 11-30-2007, 04:02 PM
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Default Re: Fold my boat on two pair board?

if you wanna be a pussy you can say you've only got 6$ invested and fold.
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Old 11-30-2007, 04:02 PM
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Default Re: Fold my boat on two pair board?

but that would be dumb.
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Old 11-30-2007, 04:08 PM
Ranma4703 Ranma4703 is offline
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Default Re: Fold my boat on two pair board?

Fold is good.
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

45 games 0.005 secs 9,000 games/sec

Board: 7s 3d 3s 7c 6h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 45.556% 00.00% 45.56% 0 20.50 { 9h7d }
Hand 1: 54.444% 08.89% 45.56% 4 20.50 { 33, A7s, K7s, Q7s, J7s, T7s, 97s, 87s, 72s+, A7o, K7o, Q7o, J7o, T7o, 97o, 87o, 72o+ }


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44 games 0.005 secs 8,800 games/sec

Board: 7s 3d 3s 7c 6h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 46.591% 00.00% 46.59% 0 20.50 { 9h7d }
Hand 1: 53.409% 06.82% 46.59% 3 20.50 { A7s, K7s, Q7s, J7s, T7s, 97s, 87s, 72s+, A7o, K7o, Q7o, J7o, T7o, 97o, 87o, 72o+ }


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8.89% you lose 93$, average loss 8.2$, 92% you win 6$. If he is pushing a 3, then it changes, but I doubt it with an aggression factor of 1.
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Old 11-30-2007, 04:10 PM
Daddy Warbucks Daddy Warbucks is offline
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Default Re: Fold my boat on two pair board?

Jesus, call. Theres all sorts of hands you beat (3x, 66, 54), and the way he played this looks super donkish.
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Old 11-30-2007, 04:17 PM
ChexWithRaisins ChexWithRaisins is offline
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Default Re: Fold my boat on two pair board?

This was kind of my thinking. Also even if I call and split, we'd be maxing the rake at $3, meaning I only net $4.50 from a split instead of $6.

And he's more likely to be shoving like this with the 76 than with any other 7x combination. Since a 7x would be trying to get value from a 3 or straight. While 76 is trying to get value from any 7x.

I don't think this was a "donk" move. I have over 1000 hands against this opponent and show him as a slight winner.
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Old 11-30-2007, 04:20 PM
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Default Re: Fold my boat on two pair board?

Call. Tight and loose don't matter for reads, nor does aggression factor. You just can't give credit for the two hands that beat you when you have a full house(3-3/6-7). Not at these stakes anyway.
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Old 11-30-2007, 04:35 PM
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Default Re: Fold my boat on two pair board?

Are we under the impression that there is a 0% chance that we win outright? I have seen a lot of bad players and a bad player could overplay a 3. He could have 37, 66, 36 as well as a straight or a badly played overpair.
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