Lloyd Carr Retiring

[BigCummins]

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I know Miles is often dumb and tries to call timeouts when the ball changes possession and makes alot of questionable/batshit decisions, but he has a track record of hiring competent assistants.

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You guys just don't understand Miles. He has done something no other coach has ever done: he has taken the concept of being *clutch*, and applied it to coaching.

Bow down bitches!



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Les miles is the George W of football.

[JackWhite]

I just read this at MGOBLOG, too. Let's hope it is true. I don't know if I could take another year of Carr/DeBord. Now the important question of the replacement. My preference would be any coach who not only didn't play or coach for Bo, but never even met the guy. I am one of the small minority of Michigan people who doesn't worship at the altar of Bo.

Whoever it is, I hope they totally clean house. First on that list: get rid of the piece of [censored] strength coach Mike Gittleson. I have been hearing from people in the know for years about Gittleson. Glad Brian at MGOBLOG mentioned him today in his list of gripes. Second on the list, deport Mike DeBord. Not only shouldn't he be retained at offensive coordinator, he shouldn't be allowed to live in the state.

Hopefully my dreams come true and we hire a coach who will call a post pass. The first time I see UM throw a pass in the middle of the field will be the happiest day of my life. What other teams take forgranted, is only a dream for a UM fan.

[JackWhite]

I was hoping Cam Cameron's name wouldn't come up (as a serious candidate that is). Hoping against hope, that the new coach was an outsider. For those in the know, will money be a factor? Are we prepared to pay top dollar? I know we'll never pay Saban type money, but I hope we don't do this on the cheap.

[damaniac]

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I was hoping Cam Cameron's name wouldn't come up (as a serious candidate that is). Hoping against hope, that the new coach was an outsider. For those in the know, will money be a factor? Are we prepared to pay top dollar? I know we'll never pay Saban type money, but I hope we don't do this on the cheap.

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That is/was a concern, as there was a certain sense before that we'd pay less because great coaches would want to come here and take less money for the privilege of coaching Michigan. That won't happen now. Martin's paying big bucks for Beilein and basketball is very encouraging. I'm not expecting 5 mil/year or anything, but we'll pay. Of course if Miles really wants the job, as is almost certainly the case, we can probably get him cheaper. That'd be an interesting negotiation, with Michigan knowing Miles desperately wants to coach Michigan but nevertheless being at a top job where it should theoretically take a ton to pry him away.

As far as outsiders, I don't really care. I mean, no one from the current staff because no one is qualified yet (someone like Loefler or English could be down the road). Miles has a Michigan pedigree, but he's spent time in the Big12, SEC, and NFL. It's not total inbreeding here.

Mind you, we're going to be pissed off at something the new coach does, whoever it is, and quite frankly it's going to be hard to find someone who does a substantially better than Carr in terms of overall record, but at least it's time for a new set of things to be frustrated about.

[damaniac]

Also, various sources are pretty adamant that the team has been told re: Carr leaving, lest there be any panic that he might waver and stay.

[bonds]

I'm curious as to how Martin ultimately decides on who the best fit to replace Lloyd would be. What factors does he consider? I mean, ideally, you'd want someone who is all of the following:

1. Innovative
2. Loyal to the school/a good "face" for the U
3. Teaches fundamentals well
4. Hires/develops great assistants
5. Inspiring
6. Solid in-game coach
7. Great recruiter
8. Runs a tight, clean program
9. Interacts well with boosters/alumni/faculty
10. Media friendly
11. Has a track record of success
12. Develops pro prospects
13. Young enough to be around for a while (ageist ban imo)

I'm sure there are more, those are just ones I came up with at the moment.

Any candidate out there is going to have some of these but not all. What's most important? What's least (media imo, see Carr, Lloyd). Are there any that you can live without? Do you disqualify someone because he fails at one or more?

I think scoring "unknown" or "fail" in multiple categories should disqualify some of the internal candidates (I'm talkin' to YOU, Debord), btw.

[THEOSU]

bonds,

1-13 don't mean a goddamn thing if you can't beat ohio state.

soooo, i sure hope that 1-13 are the criteria being considered, while we just keep on winning.

[JackWhite]

bonds, I think run a clean program is number 1. That is one of the things I give Carr credit for. I would much rather lose doing things right, then win by cheating. However, that really isn't a choice you should have to make at Michigan, with all our advantages, especially in recruiting.

Not on your list, but I'd like to see a coach with some background in special teams.

[JackWhite]

To show you how informed the national press is, on Around The Horn on ESPN, one of Woody Paige's memories of Lloyd Carr was that he replaced Bo Schembechler. Memo to Woody: Gary Moeller replaced Bo Schembechler and was the head coach for 5 years.

By the way, Gary Moeller's winning percentage at UM was 77%. Lloyd Carr's is 75%. Amazing that some consider Carr a good coach, yet Moeller is considered a failure. Which is the thing I always point out when a Carr apologist tells me about Lloyd's great winning percentage.

[heater]

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To show you how informed the national press is, on Around The Horn on ESPN, one of Woody Paige's memories of Lloyd Carr was that he replaced Bo Schembechler. Memo to Woody: Gary Moeller replaced Bo Schembechler and was the head coach for 5 years.

By the way, Gary Moeller's winning percentage at UM was 77%. Lloyd Carr's is 75%. Amazing that some consider Carr a good coach, yet Moeller is considered a failure. Which is the thing I always point out when a Carr apologist tells me about Lloyd's great winning percentage.

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Moeller was a drunken idiot and didn't represent the university well. There's more to being a coach than wins and losses.