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View Poll Results: RB1 and RB2?
T. Bell (P) vs DEN 2 4.88%
S. Alexander (D) vs OAK 4 9.76%
T. Henry @ JAX 0 0%
W. Lundy @ NYG 2 4.88%
M. Jones-Drew vs TEN 5 12.20%
D. McAllister (P) @ TB 2 4.88%
A. Green (P) @ BUF 12 29.27%
T. Jones vs MIA 11 26.83%
C. Williams vs NO 3 7.32%
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Old 10-11-2007, 09:16 AM
donkeykong2 donkeykong2 is offline
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Default calling more marginal hands to have a wider range on the flop? ep. II

So, i m going to give this idea another try after the first one ended a little off topic and the original idea could not be discussed.
So, let the situation be the following:
We sit at an aggressive mid-stakes 6 max table. villains are thinking players and likely use the tracking software and are generally observant of our play.
Say we raise preflop with a low-mid pocket pair to 4 bb, one of the described villains raises to 17. we figure that we dont have the necessary implied odds to play the hand against his range and calling would be slightly -ev in a vacuum.
The question is now, if it is possible that this move is still good because we would have a bigger calling range for later situations and are more likely to get paid off when having a good hand.
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Old 10-11-2007, 09:20 AM
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Default Re: calling more marginal hands to have a wider range on the flop? ep. II

Another interesting question is if you would actually apply this concept or would rather take different lines like letting the range be small and try to bluff more or 3 bet more or sth.
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Old 10-21-2007, 03:13 PM
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Default Re: calling more marginal hands to have a wider range on the flop? ep. II

no ideas at all? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img], i think it could be kind of important as a concept.
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Old 10-21-2007, 03:17 PM
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Default Re: calling more marginal hands to have a wider range on the flop? ep. II

against specific people you can coldcall once in awhile these obscene p/f overbets and then bet 1/2pot when checked to because you have aces, this is incredibly rare, fold.
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Old 10-21-2007, 04:50 PM
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Default Re: calling more marginal hands to have a wider range on the flop? ep. II

I think calling is OK only if you plan to push over villain's c-b on most flops. So, his reraising range would need to be wide enough that he will miss most flops and your push will actually be with either the best hand, or with enough chips to make him fold when his pair has one or two overcards on the flop.

If his range is small for reraising, then fold because you can't profitably play for set value, and he probably won't fold often enough when you push over his cb.
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