Wtf.. I have no idea how to play sats..

[plzleenowhammy]

3r turbo sat to million.. approx 16 left 12 get paid and my stack is a little above avg.. I thought shoving preflop would be good but I'd risk not eliminating the all-in guy..
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t12000 (8 handed) internettexasholdem.com

UTG+1 (t67039)
MP1 (t9967)
MP2 (t136579)
CO (t46700)
Button (t20222)
SB (t37208)
Hero (t106926)
UTG (t36930)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls t9367 (All-In), MP2 calls t12000, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t43567) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players, 1 all-in)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets t12000</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t24608</font>, Hero folds, MP2 calls t12608.

Turn: (t92783) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t92783) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t92783

[Pants Optional]

just fold in

[plzleenowhammy]

so i did play it ok?

[Jonathan]

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so i did play it ok?

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You played it perfect!

[illini43]

If you are above average, that means you are at least in the top 7 in chips stacks. With 12 spots and 16 remaining, I think you can safely fold in. There is no need to try and knock players out here. You should be able to safely fold into the seat, so save your chips!

[Sherman]

How many people have shorter stacks than you? That is a way more important question than if you are above or below average. In my experience, being above average at this point means you are about 5th or 6th in chips.

Anyhow, in sats., I always figure out what the average stack will be when the bubble breaks. That is always the key number to me. If I am above or just below that, I don't worry too much. There are almost always very short stacks and I can fold in with 4 BBs.

[Jonathan]

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How many people have shorter stacks than you? That is a way more important question than if you are above or below average. In my experience, being above average at this point means you are about 5th or 6th in chips.

Anyhow, in sats., I always figure out what the average stack will be when the bubble breaks. That is always the key number to me. If I am above or just below that, I don't worry too much. There are almost always very short stacks and I can fold in with 4 BBs.

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Hi Sherman,

I always calculate this number too, but lately I've been questioning
its usefulness. The problem is that there are often one or two
players who have accumulated very large stacks (especially true if there
are a large number of seats to be paid) so therefore many people who
have stacks well below average will qualify. If you are shooting for the
average stack size, then you could very easily overplay some weaker hands
and bust out unnecessarily.

For example, in last nights $1050 EPT London qualifier, there were
5 seats, and 7 players remaining. The "average stack size at bubble" =
36,900. But the actual stack sizes were something like this:

1. 22k
2. 75k
3. 24k
4. 23k
5. 15k
6. 9k
7. 6k

This with the blinds at 400/800 antes 50 (i think). So In this case,
all the players with stack sizes 20 - 25k have an excellent chance to win
the seat, even though their stack size is substantially less the calculated
average stack at bubble. One player with the 24k stack had been playing
a 3k stack super cautiously for hours, scraping along the bottom, and
finally picked up QQ AA AA and few other assorted goodies in a short
period of time to get to the 24k mark. Now had he been overconcerned
about the average number earlier, he may have been more inclined to
push some weaker hands and jeopardize his chances to win the seat.

Although I always calculate this number right away, I find that I am
relying upon it less and less. The number simply does not have an
impact on my actions, in the same way as my M would, for example.

Suerte,
jonathan

[Sherman]

Hi Jonathan,

I agree with you. In sats that pay many seats, the average chips at the bubble is less important, but I still want to know what that number is. Because if I go over that number, I can almost always safely fold into a seat because, like you said, people with much fewer than average chips are going to make it. I still think the average number is a good target for that reason. Because once I get there, if it is near the bubble, I can almost always fold in.

[b-komplex]

jeez i shove flop without a second thought here. you are never ever behind and will be called very rarely. Not sure this is optimal but i think its close....

[plzleenowhammy]

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jeez i shove flop without a second thought here. you are never ever behind and will be called very rarely. Not sure this is optimal but i think its close....

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u realize this is a satellite right?