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[fishyak]

Thank you for stomping on Red Stine's (insert adverse adjectives of choice) advice.

The good news is that Luxor gets you the low buy in NL you need. People argue that it isn't "real" NL because the stack sizes impacts how people play. It does and that also means the books you read about NL will not completely prepare you for that game.

However, Small Stakes Hold'em (SSHE) was written for the 1-3 spread game at the Excal and the 2-4 to 4-8 games from Mandalay Bay to MGM. That book directly and immediately applies to the game in front of you. This is why I say, start there, and if you up your bankroll by winning at those games, then start taking shots with other people's $ at Luxor 50.

The good news is at either game, you will be up against at least a few players who believe in the Red Stine school of learning.

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Thank you for stomping on Red Stine's (insert adverse adjectives of choice) advice.

The good news is that Luxor gets you the low buy in NL you need. People argue that it isn't "real" NL because the stack sizes impacts how people play. It does and that also means the books you read about NL will not completely prepare you for that game.

However, Small Stakes Hold'em (SSHE) was written for the 1-3 spread game at the Excal and the 2-4 to 4-8 games from Mandalay Bay to MGM. That book directly and immediately applies to the game in front of you. This is why I say, start there, and if you up your bankroll by winning at those games, then start taking shots with other people's $ at Luxor 50.

The good news is at either game, you will be up against at least a few players who believe in the Red Stine school of learning.

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Prior to Small Stakes Hold'em, she really should read Getting Started in Hold'em... its for absolute beginners like her and also is a mix between limit and NL so she can decide what she likes best.

[Red Stine]

Just a quick note to those who think I gave bad advice--you're all wrong.

Writergirl (assuming she is actually a girl and not a troll) came to Vegas to play--not visit the library or play online.

And whoever said the computer is the best teacher is a moron. You're missing two very important elements on the computer--sight and sound. Playing live you listen to people and watch them. Try doing that online. We're talkin about real poker here--not that phony (illegal) Internet crap.

To win live you have to play live. Experience is the best teacher.

But of course don't listen to me. Listen to everyone else here. 2+2 houses the largest group of 16 year old winners (who never lose) on the planet.

You wanna learn to play live? Get some experience and play live. Take small shots. Keep trying. Think about the game.

I fully expect this post to be deleted as are all posts that go against the sacrosanct 2+2 philosophy. That's what happens when they make kids with huge egos moderators.

Do YOU see why?

[badhandoop]

Stine has got to be a troll poster.

I mostly play live, and I can tell you that if you can win at low online limits, you will absolutely crush most B&M games all the way to 5-10NL.

Read SSHE and learn from the included starting hands table. One thorough read, and some discipline, will give you enough on an edge for those soft live games.

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Just a quick note to those who think I gave bad advice--you're all wrong.

Writergirl (assuming she is actually a girl and not a troll) came to Vegas to play--not visit the library or play online.

And whoever said the computer is the best teacher is a moron. You're missing two very important elements on the computer--sight and sound. Playing live you listen to people and watch them. Try doing that online. We're talkin about real poker here--not that phony (illegal) Internet crap.

To win live you have to play live. Experience is the best teacher.

But of course don't listen to me. Listen to everyone else here. 2+2 houses the largest group of 16 year old winners (who never lose) on the planet.

You wanna learn to play live? Get some experience and play live. Take small shots. Keep trying. Think about the game.

I fully expect this post to be deleted as are all posts that go against the sacrosanct 2+2 philosophy. That's what happens when they make kids with huge egos moderators.

Do YOU see why?

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Red Stine - I'm nearly 40 years old, the one who outed you for giving bad advice, AND I'm also the moderator of the B&M forum. Last year my income from poker nearly matched my 6 figure income from my job. I've grinded my way up from .50/1 games online to taking stabs at 100/200 games live, and back down to the middle limits where I am playing now. Obviously I don't fit your stereotype profile of the moderators who are trying to stifle your free speech of anti-2+2 philosophy. At the same time I also protect the 2+2 philosophy of insuring a quality learning experience, and I'll always out anyone who provides advice to the contrary. Ignore books? Take $50 shots and be prepared to lose? Computer poker is not poker? LOL.... tell that to Doyle Brunson who spends more time playing online 1k/2k lately than he does live. The vast majority of sucessful players on this site don't agree with you that she should "ignore books", its obvious that doesn't sit with you well but to inflict that poor advice on a new player is just plain wrong.

We don't delete posts like yours, we encourage users show them for what they truly are - bad advice. We delete trolling posts, trolling includes arguing your point by making abusive remarks. Trolling is magnified when your giving bad advice, as you did. so let it be a warning to you - lay off the trolling when someone outs you for giving bad advice. We wont delete the post (unless its absolutely vile and offensive), but you will get your rights to post here removed if you are abusive and continue to troll.

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But of course don't listen to me. Listen to everyone else here. 2+2 houses the largest group of 16 year old winners (who never lose) on the planet

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Sounds like your bitter. If you don't like those "16 year olds" that are making positive EV decisions which help them win significantly more than you, then why do you bother visiting this site? Your logic is flawed.

[Frond]

Think we all agree that this guy's advice isn't good. About the only valid thing that has a bit of weight that he said was if you want to learn to play live, then play live. This is true but why not practice and read a bit first? You'll go in better prepared and less likely to lose a lot of money and come away with your first poker experience as probably more positive & fun one.

I totally forgot about Getting Started in HE as a read. Good choice before SSHE.

I'm 43 BTW and you can learn from anyone at any age.

[Carlson411]

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My advice:

Skip the books and get in there and play. Take $50 shots. If you lose, take a walk and think things over--then try again a couple of hours later.

If you go broke four times straight, you've still got $800. At that point you can regroup--try a different game or give it up with most of your BR in tact.

Not everybody wins at this game--it's hard.

I've left Vegas broke more times than I can count, and I'm not ashamed to admit it. That being said, I just got to Vegas yesterday. Haven't been here in five years. Been everywhere else in the country, but this is the first time I've had the urge to come back since Becky had the WSOP.

Good luck.

[/ QUOTE ] Wow this is some sore advice. No wonder why I see the complaints. She's new man. Think you should follow all the advice but the one above Writer girl. I read your post once more and I think you should try Limit Hold'em most likely 2/4 before you play around with NL. I first played in the Aladdin and met a nice pit boss who played for a living and he did NOT recommend 1/2 NL for my first try. Im also not a 16yr old player and I don't give people advice like that. On this site I was encouraged to read over and over again. I didn't want to and thought that Theory of Poker was all I needed. There are so many books(even beginner books on this forum) that'll help you become a better player. To be honest with you the way the books(Good books now) are written they'll help you think more in different situations. Nothing wrong reading on your trip over to Vegas. You can finish Hold'em Poker by Sklansky in a couple of hours. Its a beginner's book and helped me out. Also don't have some misconception or bad dream that you are going to live in Vegas for a while and become rich with only $1,000. Poker takes time and you'll get a bad experience finding out what Tilt is. Save your money and have fun. Go to Jet. Nice club. Dam I miss Vegas. Think Im going to go in July again.

[DerFleisch]

If I had to recommend you buying one book to get what you could out of in three days, it would be 'Getting Started in Hold'em' by Ed Miller. It gives a good basic view of both Limit and No-Limit Hold'em, and will give you enough info over the next three days to at least cut your losses.

I would also recommend playing limit, as opposed to NL. If you are like me, and go to casinos to have fun at a poker table, limit is much more of a social game. In NL, even (especially?) at 1/2, you get more of the Bill Fillmaff types, who take the game (and themselves) WAY too seriously. Plus, being a woman, you'll of course have to deal with a lot more of the male chauvinism on a 1/2 NL table than on a 2/4 - 4/8 Limit table.

[writergirl]

Thank you all for all your input. I'm heading over to Barnes & Noble to pick up the recommended books. I won't play until I'm done reading.

Thx

[Carlson411]

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Thank you all for all your input. I'm heading over to Barnes & Noble to pick up the recommended books. I won't play until I'm done reading.

Thx

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