Iris Caught Marking the Cards at Commerce

[Red Stine]

Iris is a sweetheart compared to some others at the Commerce. How about the Arab guy that calls the (female) dealers bitches and whores, and when the dealer or another player complains the floor comes over, puts his hand on the abusers shoulder, gives him a massage, and tells everyone what a nice guy he is and how he didn't mean it.

This is one reason why it's illegal to tip a casino employee in England. That guy who works the floor on the evening shift, Jack I think his name is, is one of the biggest phonies on the planet. This guy makes $50 to a $100 in tokes before he ever begins his shift.

"How's my 'friend' tonight? Oh, there is another one of my 'friends.' How are you doing my 'friend?'

Meanwhile all of his "friends" are slipping him a ten dollar chip. This was enough to make me gag.

So, when the big tipping abuser is caught red-handed, Jack just walks over, rubs his shoulders and says everything will be OK.

What a joke.

[pokerswami]

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Andy,

I've long believed that LA cardrooms under-perform* despite the fact they have more B&M games than anywhere else in the world. IMO a big part of this is the amount of awful behavior that is allowed just because a particular customer or group of customers puts in a lot of hours. Iris of course is a classic example. Her despicableness is more than simply bending/marking cards; it's about the other things (e.g racist abusive behavior) you mention in this tread and you and others have mentioned in past threads. It makes a great story on 2+2 but it's really ugly to watch in person.

If the Commerce seriously barred Iris (and perhaps a dozen more of her ilk) and kept at it when new cretins emerge does anyone agree that in the long run far more new customers (the types who realize a card room isn't church but expect at least a small degree of civility) would emerge to replace her?

It stands to reason that in a generally wealthy metro area where about twelve million people live within an hours drive of a card club there just have to be many that like (or would like) poker but stay away because they can't stand being around such unpleasantness. And Iris and her ilk are certainly unpleasant (at least at the tables; I've heard she can be nice on the phone to her family or friends).

~ Rick


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I agree completely. There are many well-off potential poker players, especially women, who would never voluntarily spend time in that type of environment.

It is especially important to remember that an unhappy customer is likely to warn 10 times the number of potential players about his or her bad experience than a happy customer is likely to recommend the room to his acquaintances. Even, maybe especially, regulars will tell their acquaintances about the abhorrent behavior.

I'm still amazed that dealers haven't been able to improve their work conditions, especially since it would likely mean more business for them.

If only one major club would significantly change for the better, I believe over the long run it would see a big increase in business.

[DeathDonkey]

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I think she plays as poorly as ever, but she's universally regarded, and justly so, as the most horrible person who plays mid-limits at Commerce. And that's saying something.

I agree with Chris. Maybe I'd feel differently if I were playing for a living; I doubt it. I don't care if she were worth two big bets an hour to me all by herself. I hope to never see her again.

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If you played the 100/200 (or sometimes 2/4 by the grace of god) with Julian (muscle bound skull cap guy) you might put him ahead of Iris, it's definitely close.

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The funniest old white lady at the commerce is that Russian lady. She will play for 3 days straight and loose $15,000. Her dealer abuse is so out line and over the top you cant take it seriously.

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This lady is much better to have at the table because she is slightly less loud than Iris, a worse player, and usually plays 100/200. Funny random story about her, a few weeks ago I'm in one of the crappiest 100/200 games ever at Commerce, like 8 good players and this lady. She quietly tells Pierce the game is tough and she doesn't like it and the nice guy that he is, he tells her "your style will do really well with all these tight guys though, they will try to run you over" and she smiles and nods and doesn't quit. Thanks Pierce!

Red Stine,

Jack is like that with everyone, I've never given him a dime and he greets me that way when he sees me. That said if you ever need a correct ruling get ANYONE but Jack, he doesn't know any of the rules.

-DeathDonkey

[Rick Nebiolo]

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That said if you ever need a correct ruling get ANYONE but Jack, he doesn't know any of the rules. - DeathDonkey

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There's a long time 2+2 poster who told me he thinks Jack has the judgement of King Solomon (after a discussion that included much of what was said in this thread).

From the "King Solomon wiki"

"Wisdom of Solomon

One of the qualities most ascribed to Solomon is his wisdom. One account, that of Solomon suggesting to divide a baby in two to determine its real mother, is from the Old Testament of the Bible in the book of Kings. In this often-quoted passage, two prostitutes came before Solomon to resolve a quarrel about which of them was the true mother of a baby. (The other's baby died in the night and each claims the surviving child as hers.) When Solomon suggests dividing the living child in two with a sword, the true mother is revealed to him because she is willing to give up her child to the lying woman rather than have the child killed. Solomon then declares the woman who shows the compassion is the true mother and hands the child to her.

Then the king said, "Bring me a sword." So they brought a sword for the king. He then gave an order: "Cut the living child in two and give half to one and half to the other." - 1 Kings 3 (New International Version)

~ Rick

[mt_david]

Bad WIKI.... they just include a quote at the end, which causes your misconception... Here's the entire text which they draw their quote from...

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16 Now two prostitutes came to the king and stood before him. 17 One of them said, "My lord, this woman and I live in the same house. I had a baby while she was there with me. 18 The third day after my child was born, this woman also had a baby. We were alone; there was no one in the house but the two of us.

19 "During the night this woman's son died because she lay on him. 20 So she got up in the middle of the night and took my son from my side while I your servant was asleep. She put him by her breast and put her dead son by my breast. 21 The next morning, I got up to nurse my son—and he was dead! But when I looked at him closely in the morning light, I saw that it wasn't the son I had borne."

22 The other woman said, "No! The living one is my son; the dead one is yours."
But the first one insisted, "No! The dead one is yours; the living one is mine." And so they argued before the king.

23 The king said, "This one says, 'My son is alive and your son is dead,' while that one says, 'No! Your son is dead and mine is alive.' "

24 Then the king said, "Bring me a sword." So they brought a sword for the king. 25 He then gave an order: "Cut the living child in two and give half to one and half to the other."

26 The woman whose son was alive was filled with compassion for her son and said to the king, "Please, my lord, give her the living baby! Don't kill him!"
But the other said, "Neither I nor you shall have him. Cut him in two!"

27 Then the king gave his ruling: "Give the living baby to the first woman. Do not kill him; she is his mother."

28 When all Israel heard the verdict the king had given, they held the king in awe, because they saw that he had wisdom from God to administer justice.

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[sternroolz]

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Red Stine,

Jack is like that with everyone, I've never given him a dime and he greets me that way when he sees me. That said if you ever need a correct ruling get ANYONE but Jack, he doesn't know any of the rules.

-DeathDonkey

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I have to agree with this. Jack was the floorman...of some of the low limit games for a long time. I haven't played $4-8 or $6-12 for a long long time at Commerce...probably over 5 years now. I moved up to the $20-40 only around November. I hadn't seen Jack in years and he still recognized me and was really friendly..."how are you my friend...blahblahblah". I've never once tipped him. He is like that every time I'm there. I can't comment on how he runs the games as I don't play $40-80 yet, but thats definitely his overall personality.

[andyfox]

Jack's a legend. One night a friend and I are on line at the cage; Jack is with us, schmoozing. A guy comes from around the corner, from the Asian games section, and cuts in front of us. Jack says to him, "There's a line." The guy gives jack $10. Jack says, "Right this way, sir."

[andyfox]

"if you ever need a correct ruling get ANYONE but Jack, he doesn't know any of the rules."

Rick might know the rules a bit, but nobody else at Commerce has a clue.

One day I'm shooting the bull with Marcel while I'm waiting for a seat. A big ruckus breaks out at a stud table, and they scream for a floorman. Marcel doesn't move. They now call for him by name. Says Marcel to me, "This ought to be good. Why don't you go over, you know more about the rules than I do."

[andyfox]

Yeah, when I think of Jack the first person that comes to mind is King Solomon.

[andyfox]

Seems to me that I'm seeing more and more dealers react to abuse or impoliteness with surliness or impoliteness of their own.