2nd Chance: Need A Calling Range v Shaun

[gobboboy]

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55+, A7+, K8+, QJ.

If you lose your stack takes a big blow and you lose the ability to do multiple things.

Compounded with the fact that if Shaun really is shoving that wide of a range you could probably find a much better spot in the next orbit or two, but I don't really think he's shoving as wide a range as you guys are thinking. In a vacuum I think it's fine but this has everything to do with game dynamic and it's hard to account for that.

I'm going with feel and that's the range I get from feel.

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This range is cEV neutral if Shaun is pushing the top 7.5% of hands. I think most people in this thread think he's pushing closer to 75% than 7.5%. I'll pass up a marginal spot for 1/2 my stack for the reasons you stated, but A2o isn't marginal here IMO.

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I just realized that this is the 2nd chance and that there are antes.

Disregard my past statements, call with whatever you want now.

I thought it was the million. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[THAY3R]

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C, he's a horse of mine so I am more likely to play tighter vs him in the bb

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I'm pretty sure playing differently against someone because you own a piece of their action is a serious faux-pas.

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yeah seriously, wtf?

Also, I think I tend to fold too much in these spots, thanks (djk in particular) for the posts.

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lol this is the reason I told Adam his call was bad.


shaun [censored] deeb

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team waff1ecrush.... team collusion???

[THAY3R]

dont hate the playa hate the game... or hate shaun or something

[THAY3R]

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team waff1ecrush.... team collusion???

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For example :

PokerStars Game #13349088827: Tournament #67350656, $150+$12 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2007/11/19 - 22:34:14 (ET)
Table '67350656 16' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: bigmacfan (3169 in chips)
Seat 2: RJAYC (8951 in chips)
Seat 3: THE__D__RY (1955 in chips)
Seat 4: tomanymucks! (6742 in chips)
Seat 5: cool0813 (4030 in chips)
Seat 6: AKAtheDON420 (8107 in chips)
Seat 7: co3730 (7365 in chips)
Seat 8: shaundeeb (4752 in chips)
Seat 9: THAY3R (1891 in chips) is sitting out
shaundeeb: posts small blind 100
THAY3R: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to THAY3R [7c Qc]
THAY3R is connected
THAY3R has returned
bigmacfan: folds
RJAYC: folds
THE__D__RY: folds
tomanymucks!: folds
cool0813: folds
AKAtheDON420: folds
co3730: folds
shaundeeb: raises 4552 to 4752 and is all-in
THAY3R: calls 1691 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [4s 2h 3s]
shaundeeb said, "get there"
*** TURN *** [4s 2h 3s] [Js]
*** RIVER *** [4s 2h 3s Js] [Ah]
shaundeeb said, "**"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
shaundeeb: shows [8s 9h] (high card Ace)
THAY3R: shows [7c Qc] (high card Ace - Queen kicker)
THAY3R collected 3782 from pot
THAY3R said, "WAFFLE CRUSHED"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3782 | Rake 0
Board [4s 2h 3s Js Ah]
Seat 1: bigmacfan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: RJAYC folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: THE__D__RY folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: tomanymucks! folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: cool0813 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: AKAtheDON420 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: co3730 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: shaundeeb (small blind) showed [8s 9h] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 9: THAY3R (big blind) showed [7c Qc] and won (3782) with high card Ace

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you guys dont back each other tho, horrible example

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fwiw i've hung out/played online/am backed by shaun and thayer a bunch and this is the first i've ever seen/heard of shaun doing/say something like that.

definitely not 'team collusion' just shaun [censored] deeb typing whatever random BS to defend his first statement that DJK's range sucked. I really doubt his horse being in the BB changed his range at all. this was an after the fact thing e added on to try and make a point (which he was dead wrong about - djk's range was money)

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shhhhhhhhhhhhh ray thats not the point. when shaundeeb admits to softplaying you run with it.

[ASPoker8]

I know Connor and co are just messing around and I laughed a little bit when I read the last few posts..

If anything I feel like Shaun/Thayer would steal more liberally from me because they know I almost never call OOP and am pretty patient/tight when in the 5-20BB zone.

[timex]

If any w.afflecrush members are looking to be backed by someone who doesn't promote collusion, shoot me a PM