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Old 12-06-2006, 02:56 AM
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Default $2-$4 how do i play the river?

Full tilt. I have $420, villian has $360. Full ring. overall weak table. I open raise A10 hearts from the co to $13. Get called by Button and both blinds fold. Flop is (Ac, 4c, 7h). I bet $25 into $32 pot and get smooth called. Turn is (10d) giving me top 2. I bet $66 into $82 pot and again get called. River is (Kh). Flush draw misses. Whats my play here? Do I lead bet and hope he has AQ or AJish and pays me off? do I check and let him bluff into me, or check to pot control in case he has AK? thanks.
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Old 12-06-2006, 03:05 AM
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Default Re: $2-$4 how do i play the river?

I think he has only a pair Aces at best (AJ probably, but no AK), and would be happy to check it down. how about a bet of 150ish?
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Old 12-06-2006, 03:07 AM
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Default Re: $2-$4 how do i play the river?

Bet about 1/2 - 3/5 of the pot.
I doubt he was on FD here, so he will check behind with a lot of hands you can extract value from.

Actually, i think 1/2 the pot is the best.
He won't fold Aj/Aq and he might go allin in desperation if he missed FD or 56 since you leave him room for a shove
I am calling allin here.
If he has AK or a set( very unlikely he would just call on this board with a set), so be it.
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Old 12-06-2006, 03:17 AM
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Default Re: $2-$4 how do i play the river?

I believe the pot was $218. SO maybe lead bet $100 on the river?

We can say he prolly doesnt have AK cuz he would raise either preflop or on the flop usually, right? He didn't flop a set cuz he would raise it on that flop usually. Only hands I could then put him were AJ, AQ or busted flush draw. I did actually check the river and he checked behind with his AJ. So I def. did not extract full value.
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Old 12-06-2006, 03:20 AM
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Default Re: $2-$4 how do i play the river?

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I believe the pot was $218. SO maybe lead bet $100 on the river?

We can say he prolly doesnt have AK cuz he would raise either preflop or on the flop usually, right? He didn't flop a set cuz he would raise it on that flop usually. Only hands I could then put him were AJ, AQ or busted flush draw. I did actually check the river and he checked behind with his AJ. So I def. did not extract full value.

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Yes, about 100-110$ seems right.
He never folds AJ to 100$ here.
Checking in this particular situation is leaving money on the table...
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Old 12-06-2006, 03:26 AM
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Default Re: $2-$4 how do i play the river?

So you think more times than not he has an AQ or AJ than a busted flush draw here?
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Old 12-06-2006, 03:30 AM
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Default Re: $2-$4 how do i play the river?

bet around 150, don't fold.
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Old 12-06-2006, 03:32 AM
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So you think more times than not he has an AQ or AJ than a busted flush draw here?

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He called on the button and called flop and turn.
It's Aj-Aq, weaker 2 pairs a lot, i'd estimate about 2/3 at least.The other % are fd/sd.
And a lot of times, he will just check behind his busted draw assuming you'd call anyway with that A on board and your flop and turn bets.
So, you have to bet in order to extract value from AJ-AQ and if he has Fd, it's ok, he'll fold anyway.

Sometimes it's more obvious that villain has some sort of draw and your hand isn't that strong to call a bluff raise, so i often check-call in those situations and catch lots of missed draws bluffs.

This was definitely not the spot to do it, he will never bet a worse hand with showdown value, his range is pretty defined by now and a lot of times he will not even bluff a busted draw.
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Old 12-06-2006, 03:41 AM
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Default Re: $2-$4 how do i play the river?

thanks I appreciate it. im an sng player and we don't have to many hands of this nature on the river.
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Old 12-06-2006, 06:04 AM
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if button is a regular i chceck this river
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