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Old 11-14-2007, 04:29 AM
patrick_mcmurray patrick_mcmurray is offline
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Default Re: Very Weird Hand X-Post from HSNL: Showing Love for MSNL


2222 makes some sense here. He knows that he's shown considerable strength cold calling on the flop, knows that you may well fold to a turn bet, and could be checking to disguise and give you the chance to fill up (slim tho' it is).
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Old 11-14-2007, 04:45 AM
Ship Ship McGipp Ship Ship McGipp is offline
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Default Re: Very Weird Hand X-Post from HSNL: Showing Love for MSNL

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i think raising the flop is pretty terrible, i would call and re eval/ fold to any further action.

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SB bet 220 into 700 and we minraised, how is that terrible

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gabe you're always saying things like this to me, i understand about being open to plays, but this one turns me off. there are so few hands that it is even viable with that it makes our hand transparent or something.
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Old 11-14-2007, 04:48 AM
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Default Re: Very Weird Hand X-Post from HSNL: Showing Love for MSNL

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i think raising the flop is pretty terrible, i would call and re eval/ fold to any further action.

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SB bet 220 into 700 and we minraised, how is that terrible

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gabe you're always saying things like this to me, i understand about being open to plays, but this one turns me off. there are so few hands that it is even viable with that it makes our hand transparent or something.

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right our range with this minraise is any two, that really narrows it down imo
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Old 11-14-2007, 04:49 AM
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i think raising the flop is pretty terrible, i would call and re eval/ fold to any further action.

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SB bet 220 into 700 and we minraised, how is that terrible

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gabe you're always saying things like this to me, i understand about being open to plays, but this one turns me off. there are so few hands that it is even viable with that it makes our hand transparent or something.

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right our range with this minraise is any two, that really narrows it down imo

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agree
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Old 11-14-2007, 05:25 AM
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Default Re: Very Weird Hand X-Post from HSNL: Showing Love for MSNL

Everyone else has offered plenty of analysis already, so i'll just say my line -

Call pf, don't think it's close
Probably call flop but tempted to fold
c/f turn
c/f river
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Old 11-14-2007, 06:20 AM
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Default Re: Very Weird Hand X-Post from HSNL: Showing Love for MSNL

I really don't like flop. Not because it defines our hand or anything, but because you plan to call a push from SB. Nonononono. A 30/7 reraises preflop, then small bet-3bet the flop all in and you expect to see anything but KK+? Just call. Not that worried about draws and no one is likely to bluff behind you given SB is likely to call.

Once action goes the way it does, I'm c/f turn and river. Dude may feel free to own me by turning 98 into a bluff. I think he is full/quads much more often.
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Old 11-14-2007, 06:30 AM
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agree w/ flop callers. now c/f river.
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Old 11-14-2007, 06:54 AM
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I think raising the flop is pretty terrible. You said you raised with the intention of getting in vs the preflop reraiser ... uh why? He has you crushed every time that he decides to continue in the hand.

PF: Call
Flop: Call and look for showdown
River: C/F
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Old 11-14-2007, 07:07 AM
DanielDayLewis DanielDayLewis is offline
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Default Re: Very Weird Hand X-Post from HSNL: Showing Love for MSNL

flop is a really tough spot. I actually think u played it OK.

All I think you're ahead of on the river is 89. I'd check fold. If he decides to make a ballsy bluff with 89 then 'grats to him. Only I get more money in here is if I'm very sure button would have 3 bet 88-TT preflop.
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Old 11-14-2007, 07:18 AM
Janis N. Janis N. is offline
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Default Re: Very Weird Hand X-Post from HSNL: Showing Love for MSNL

Prahlad,

Preflop is clear call as KingGordy and others said.

Flop I like calling best. I hate raising to call a push from SB as said by Melchiades. I don't mind minraising that much to charge the 6-outer from SB and other stuff from everybody else; but I don't know how villains at this level will interpret it and it makes the whole hand murky afterwards.

Turn is a clear c/f.

River is a c/f though bet-folding small isn't bad if you think he won't bluff-raise you. You basically hope to get value from 98/JT but that is very thin. TT just rivered a FH as well.
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