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Old 08-05-2007, 02:38 PM
thedustbustr thedustbustr is offline
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Default how to not put money in the pot. or maybe i should.

i have KQo, bb calls - he's like 30/8. 100bb

4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] bb leads pot, i call (can i raise?)

5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] bb leads 15 into 24, i call? and check fold the river? or can i fold here?
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Old 08-05-2007, 02:58 PM
Al_Money Al_Money is offline
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Default Re: how to not put money in the pot. or maybe i should.

You could raise the flop, I don't think calling is bad though. As played I probably call again and see a river.
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Old 08-05-2007, 03:00 PM
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Default Re: how to not put money in the pot. or maybe i should.

This is a supersexy spot to minraise (turn).
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Old 08-05-2007, 03:03 PM
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Default Re: how to not put money in the pot. or maybe i should.

Isn't a turn minraise just bloating?

I mostly raise the flop here (but see above). As played I'd call the turn.
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Old 08-05-2007, 03:11 PM
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Default Re: how to not put money in the pot. or maybe i should.

I'm not folding the turn, that's for sure. Min-raising seems fine at least in theory, ime I get donked a decent ammount on the river so I'm not sure it's the best line.

As I standard I use to call the turn and play make a decision on the river based on card/bet-size. The turn min-raise is an interesting option and I'll try to experiment a bit with it.
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Old 08-05-2007, 03:14 PM
thedustbustr thedustbustr is offline
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Default Re: how to not put money in the pot. or maybe i should.

minraise gives us free showdown against ak, i like that
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Old 08-05-2007, 03:20 PM
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Default Re: how to not put money in the pot. or maybe i should.

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minraise gives us free showdown against ak, i like that

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Ime AK/KT often calls the min-raise on the turn and donks a blank river. [nitpick] And if you're planning to fold the river anyway the pros of min-raising the turn is charging draws/not getting bluffed by missed draws, not to lose and extra $15 vs AK. [/nitpick]
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Old 08-05-2007, 03:20 PM
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Default Re: how to not put money in the pot. or maybe i should.

unless i have a note indicating otherwise, i always assume people donk weak. draws, TPNK, air, etc. so i think i raise the flop.

as played, meh. i guess making a raise to like 35 or 40 could be kind of hot. it should be a pretty obvious move to a strong opponent, but villain in this hand clearly isn't. if i don't do that i call and then reevaluate river. never fold turn though.
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Old 08-05-2007, 03:35 PM
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Default Re: how to not put money in the pot. or maybe i should.

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This is a supersexy spot to minraise (turn).

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Old 08-05-2007, 04:18 PM
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Default Re: how to not put money in the pot. or maybe i should.

you can definitely raise this flop for value. but calling is also okay i guess.

turn you can definitely call again. hell, i probably call river bet too, depending on the river.
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