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#11
10-31-2007, 10:52 PM
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Re: I fold pairs a lot
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The most obvious explanation is that the 9 helped him. And that he had something on the flop. So his minimum hand is 9-7. I'd call with anything that beats that. [/ QUOTE ] As usual, andy wins. he had 97, or at least that's what he told me at the cashout window a couple hours later. I dunno why you guys are all gung ho about folding everything except sets. I said he was mostly passive, not that he was the type to call with the pure nuts b/c "it's prob a chop" (this happened to me at 15/30 hu a few sessions ago) He's def popping me with any 2 pair here. 
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#12
10-31-2007, 11:06 PM
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Re: I fold pairs a lot
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Folding a pair-no kicker here is standard, Snowball. [/ QUOTE ] yeah it felt standard and not a tough decision for me to make. That's why my question was "what is minimum hand to call" which is more or less a math problem I think.
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#13
10-31-2007, 11:09 PM
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Re: I fold pairs a lot
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looks like he has QT [/ QUOTE ] I really need to write down boards at the casino on the spot. I think it was a six on the flop which would be the reason why I didn't think "oh, QT" at the time.
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#15
10-31-2007, 11:29 PM
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Re: I fold pairs a lot
One other thing. This might sound ridiculous but I think it's true: when a guy makes the nuts on the river, that is, if he had Q-T, he will generally bet out. You would think he would bet because he's trying to win 3 bets on the river, but that's not it. It's that he sees his hand as "obvious" when he makes K-Q-J-T-9 and therefore he feels he should bet. Whereas if he makes 9-7, he's more likely to check-raise because it's less obvious that the 9 helped him; in his mind, it's more of a "surprise" hand worthy of a check-raise.
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#16
10-31-2007, 11:35 PM
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Re: I fold pairs a lot
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One other thing. This might sound ridiculous but I think it's true: when a guy makes the nuts on the river, that is, if he had Q-T, he will generally bet out. You would think he would bet because he's trying to win 3 bets on the river, but that's not it. It's that he sees his hand as "obvious" when he makes K-Q-J-T-9 and therefore he feels he should bet. Whereas if he makes 9-7, he's more likely to check-raise because it's less obvious that the 9 helped him; in his mind, it's more of a "surprise" hand worthy of a check-raise. [/ QUOTE ] andy, any chance we can get you to put together a 2p2 internet mag article about all these weird truths about the way fishy midstakes B&M players think? For example, your comment in that one PJ hand about how 3 betting the flop will make it less likely that the players in between will stay with their gutshots on 4th was really bizarre and counterintuitive.
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